The Great Labor Force Debate

#201
#201
C-south said:
You go to these places and basically have to do their job for them. At Walmart now there’s one or two lanes open with cashiers and the rest are self checkout. Same with the touch screens at McDonald’s where you place your own order without saying a word to anyone.
Click to expand...

I love the self checkout lines because I can do it faster and I don't have to speak to anyone. The ordering kiosks at McDs not so much. It takes me longer that just telling the person so I don't use those.
 
#202
#202
TheDeeble said:
I don't know if you'll find a clearly defined line that everyone agrees to.

What kind of chef? A short order chef that doesn't go through a school? Someone that use to take orders at a choke and puke and is taught in a few hours how to cook eggs, bacon, pancakes, and toast?

Or are you talking about a Michelin star winning chef that went to school and studied for years under other skilled chefs?

Or any of the other variations in between?
Click to expand...
Gordon Ramsey = skilled
Donjo as a teen at McDs = unskilled
 
#203
#203
Rickyvol77 said:
People don’t like to be told that their beliefs and opinions are wrong thus they call people “mean” and “jerks” and “racists” and such. It’s human nature
Click to expand...

No, when you come off as mean or jerky or racist people call you on it. Your interpersonal skill blow.
 
#204
#204
C-south said:
You go to these places and basically have to do their job for them. At Walmart now there’s one or two lanes open with cashiers and the rest are self checkout. Same with the touch screens at McDonald’s where you place your own order without saying a word to anyone.
Click to expand...
I'm not a fan of the self checkout myself. That's why I usually go to the local IGA. No self check outs. An actual person does that for you.

There are still people stocking shelves, receiving, customer service, pharmacists, deli at Walmart. They also have people hired as personal shoppers who shop the delivery orders for people who don't want to go to the store and shop themselves now. They will even shop and have the order delivered for you now. How nice of them to do that.
 
#207
#207
C-south said:
Of course and being able to differentiate between someone who has had specialized training to do a more advanced job vs someone who was trained for half an hour on how to flip and burger and put it in a warmer isn’t the same.
Click to expand...

Is a chef skilled labor?
 
#209
#209
DonjoVol said:
I'm not a fan of the self checkout myself. That's why I usually go to the local IGA. No self check outs. An actual person does that for you.

There are still people stocking shelves, receiving, customer service, pharmacists, deli at Walmart. They also have people hired as personal shoppers who shop the delivery orders for people who don't want to go to the store and shop themselves now. They will even shop and have the order delivered for you now. How nice of them to do that.
Click to expand...
It’s not because they are nice lol. It’s because the owners were losing business and wanted to keep customers so they adjusted their procedures to keep up.
 
#210
#210
C-south said:
You go to these places and basically have to do their job for them. At Walmart now there’s one or two lanes open with cashiers and the rest are self checkout. Same with the touch screens at McDonald’s where you place your own order without saying a word to anyone.
Click to expand...

True, and it's not denigrating anyone to state fact. Being a necessary cog in the workforce doesn't make one an equally skilled or valuable cog.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Vol423 and Rickyvol77
#211
#211
TheDeeble said:
There are exceptions to just about anything but so far Donjo hasn't acknowledged that. So far his position is all jobs are skilled jobs. All jobs.
Click to expand...
Did you see the comment someone made about how they could just get 10 people off the street and they could be a CNA in an hour? Would you care to correct them on this?
ClearwaterVol said:
There is absolutely a skill involved and most people cannot hack it.
Click to expand...
I think that's where part of the issue lies with these people we are discussing this with. They know and admit it's hard work and most could not do it themselves. In order to make themselves feel good they feel the need to put others down. A large portion of people in our society are like that. Ricky being a perfect example.
 
#212
#212
ClearwaterVol said:
Is a chef skilled labor?
Click to expand...
Depends on the position and skills and education required at market value.

Chef at fast food where a teen can do it easily with minimal training. Nope it’s $8-10 hr type job
Master chef of Michelin star restaurant in Paris with 30 years of experience and skill and training making $300k a year? Yep that’s skilled
 
  • Like
Reactions: GroverCleveland and NCFisher
#213
#213
NCFisher said:
True, and it's not denigrating anyone to state fact. Being a necessary cog in the workforce doesn't make one an equally skilled or valuable cog.
Click to expand...

Now they have one person watching 5 lanes overseeing people doing the unskilled job that they were obviously bad at.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rickyvol77
#214
#214
DonjoVol said:
Did you see the comment someone made about how they could just get 10 people off the street and they could be a CNA in an hour? Would you care to correct them on this?

I think that's where part of the issue lies with these people we are discussing this with. They know and admit it's hard work and most could not do it themselves. In order to make themselves feel good they feel the need to put others down. A large portion of people in our society are like that. Ricky being a perfect example.
Click to expand...
No one is “putting down others” lol 😂 quit being butt hurt.
 
#215
#215
Rickyvol77 said:
Depends on the position and skills and education required at market value.

Chef at fast food where a teen can do it easily with minimal training. Nope it’s $8-10 hr type job
Master chef of Michelin star restaurant in Paris with 30 years of experience and skill and training making $300k a year? Yep that’s skilled
Click to expand...

There are no chefs at your local McDonalds.

Is the money earned the qualification on whether it is skilled labor? If so, what is the hourly wage that divides skilled and unskilled?
 
#217
#217
Rickyvol77 said:
No one is “putting down others” lol 😂 quit being butt hurt.
Click to expand...
Lol. You've done it numerous times since yesterday. I know you've got your pack of hyenas that agree with you but most people see exactly what you are.

Oh and wishing you were a VP is not the same as being one.
 
#219
#219
ClearwaterVol said:
There are no chefs at your local McDonalds.

Is the money earned the qualification on whether it is skilled labor? If so, what is the hourly wage that divides skilled and unskilled?
Click to expand...
Go back and read my point about market value and the number of pool of candidates for a certain job.

It’s a variety of obvious factors:
- Market value cost for job
- Education and specific training and technical skills required
- Applicant pool and accessibility for job thru market
- Importance of quality candidate for specific job requirements

If I have a job like a janitor where literally a million people with minimum education and training can do the job with ease and my basic requirement was show up, be able to clean and don’t do drugs or steal, than anyone can be plugged in. Which is why that is an unskilled job that NO one will pay more than market value for

If I have a job that requires an experienced spinal surgeon either familiarity with cancer AND CMS standards and understands TN state regulations on insurance than that field is probably 10-20 people in the entire region of the southeast that are good candidates. Thus it’s a skilled position and will demand a much much higher salary
 
#220
#220
I see that the mods moved that gigantic chip on DonjoVol's shoulder into its very own thread. I agree with them. That chip is large enough to deserve its own thread. It has choked off and dominated conversation in about 5 or 6 other threads over the last 6-9 months.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rickyvol77
#221
#221
DonjoVol said:
Lol. You've done it numerous times since yesterday. I know you've got your pack of hyenas that agree with you but most people see exactly what you are.

Oh and wishing you were a VP is not the same as being one.
Click to expand...
Your profile quote says it all. “It’s one big club and you ain’t in it”.

Envy is a terrible sin
 
#222
#222
Rickyvol77 said:
Go back and read my point about market value and the number of pool of candidates for a certain job.

It’s a variety of obvious factors:
- Market value cost for job
- Education and specific training and technical skills required
- Applicant pool and accessibility for job thru market
- Importance of quality candidate for specific job requirements

If I have a job like a janitor where literally a million people with minimum education and training can do the job with ease and my basic requirement was show up, be able to clean and don’t do drugs or steal, than anyone can be plugged in. Which is why that is an unskilled job that NO one will pay more than market value for

If I have a job that requires an experienced spinal surgeon either familiarity with cancer AND CMS standards and understands TN state regulations on insurance than that field is probably 10-20 people in the entire region of the southeast that are good candidates. Thus it’s a skilled position and will demand a much much higher salary
Click to expand...

I am seeking the division line not the outliers. Stop dodging. Is a chef a skilled labor or not?
 
#223
#223
DonjoVol said:
That might not have been it word for word but yes that is what that poster was basically saying.

Reading is a skill. You should learn it yourself Mr True Conservative.
Click to expand...
It wasn't even in the same ballpark. Providing the post for you since my search skills are resume-worthy

Rickyvol77 said:
Not true. There are several contract agencies that I could pick up the phone and have 10 CNAs in a day. Shows you don’t know anything about managing a business or economics
Click to expand...
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rickyvol77
#224
#224
Vol423 said:
I see that the mods moved that gigantic chip on DonjoVol's shoulder into its very own thread. I agree with them. That chip is large enough to deserve its own thread. It has choked off and dominated conversation in about 5 or 6 other threads over the last 6-9 months.
Click to expand...
And you guys still can't win the argument. Must be a sad life you and others live by bringing up this topic out of the blue.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top