The Great Labor Force Debate

[DonjoVol]

It didn't say all requirements for a CNA. Could they be trained to do some of the responsibilities within an hour?

Apparently not. Since according to the article posted they have to go through a 4 to 12 week certification course.

So not only was the post about brining people off the street and training them as a CNA in an hour an absurd statement, it also cannot be done that way. You would have to take them off the street and make sure they go through the proper certification to become a CNA.

 

[Rickyvol77]

that's your worst line to date. Absurd

You seem to have a very hard time with understanding that saying a job is is unskilled labor is not insulting those doing it. I've done plenty of jobs I'd categorize as unskilled labor and wouldn't be embarrassed to admit it
is anyone truly worried about this? Probably only people clinging to conservative as part of their identity

He literally takes a term like unskilled labor and it makes him seethe with rage. It’s not an insult and he can’t even grasp that simple point

 

[DonjoVol]

He literally takes a term like unskilled labor and it makes him seethe with rage. It’s not an insult and he can’t even grasp that simple point

You are apparently still seething with rage since you were embarrassed in your argument in support for corporate fascism.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Restaurants are in high demand. Walmart is in high demand. As are grocery stores. If everyone in those jobs walked out tomorrow I bet you and others would be changing your mind real quick about them being unskilled jobs.

You and others have been using absurd arguments all day long. It's what you guys like you are good at.

Lol you keep saying this and it makes your “points” look even dumber. If Walmart or McDonald’s closed tomorrow then we would shop somewhere else or eat at home. No big loss

 

[Rickyvol77]

It is. I would say it's pretty hard standing outside in freezing or 95 degree weather. Especially for long periods of time wearing those ridiculous suits.

Hard doesn’t equal skilled.

 

[lukeneyland]

Because many Americans are lazy for one. Two, they wanted cheap skilled labor. I've seen many Hispanics working as roofers. That's a skilled job.

I think you are conflating laziness with a perspective shift brought about by a high standard of living. And of course we want cheap labor but we don’t necessarily want it to be “skilled”. The country must have agricultural workers, warehouse workers etc… to function. If laborer is skilled/ educated then he in time will naturally pursue better opportunities. That’s one of the reasons that the Japanese Economy has been steadily shrinking since the 80’s. Their population does not provide for the necessary quantity of cheap labor. Cheap “unskilled” laborers are a very necessary element to our economy and standard of living.

 

[MG1968]

I already did. Perhaps you should learn to read. And also maybe you should know that CNAs actually have to be certified. You can't just pull people off the street. You are quite ignorant.

No, you didn’t. I know CNAs have to be certified. But most of that certification has nothing to do with the level of care they provide. As I said, pull 10 people off the street and they can be changing bed pans and bathing granny in an hour. I said nothing about how good they would be at it.

But, being good at something and being skilled at something are vastly different. I’m a good driver. Been driving for nearly 40 years. Never had an accident, either. But I’m not Chase Elliot and no matter how much I practice or how much I spend, I’m never going to match the skill of a professional race car driver.

A CNA, at the end of the day, is still just a CNA. He or she will never acquire the skills needed to be an RN, LPN, or brain surgeon after only 12-24 weeks of training at a community college.

 

[Rickyvol77]

You are apparently still seething with rage since you were embarrassed in your argument in support for corporate fascism.

Corporate fascism. Lol. Do you work for a “non-fascist” company?

 

[DonjoVol]

I think you are conflating laziness with a perspective shift brought about by a high standard of living. And of course we want cheap labor but we don’t necessarily want it to be “skilled”. The country must have agricultural workers, warehouse workers etc… to function. If laborer is skilled/ educated then he in time will naturally pursue better opportunities. That’s one of the reasons that the Japanese Economy has been steadily shrinking since the 80’s. Their population does not provide for the necessary quantity of cheap labor. Cheap “unskilled” laborers are a very necessary element to our economy and standard of living.

Agricultural workers are skilled

 

[Rickyvol77]

Apparently not. Since according to the article posted they have to go through a 4 to 12 week certification course.

So not only was the post about brining people off the street and training them as a CNA in an hour an absurd statement, it also cannot be done that way. You would have to take them off the street and make sure they go through the proper certification to become a CNA.

Do you know that large companies can delay and waive requirements in certain situations?

 

[Rickyvol77]

No, you didn’t. I know CNAs have to be certified. But most of that certification has nothing to do with the level of care they provide. As I said, pull 10 people off the street and they can be changing bed pans and bathing granny in an hour. I said nothing about how good they would be at it.

But, being good at something and being skilled at something are vastly different. I’m a good driver. Been driving for nearly 40 years. Never had an accident, either. But I’m not Chase Elliot and no matter how much I practice or how much I spend, I’m never going to match the skill of a professional race car driver.

A CNA, at the end of the day, is still just a CNA. He or she will never acquire the skills needed to be an RN, LPN, or brain surgeon after only 12-24 weeks of training at a community college.

Get that logic and intelligence and nuance out of here dammit.

 

[DonjoVol]

The lengths you guys take to show your true colors is rather amazing. Some of you guys are really a sad bunch. In a way I feel sorry for you guys.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

more wealth envy

Absolutely not. Just believe that the average american worker has been subject to the greed of the bosses for far too long. They have been told they don't matter. They are not important. They could be replaced within the hour. They are now beginning to realize they have some real power. Now the bosses are crying that their plight is the result of the laziness of the average worker. They ignore the fact that those companies that pay and treat their employees well have no such problems. So yeah, I root for the american worker.

 

[DonjoVol]

Absolutely not. Just believe that the average american worker has been subject to the greed of the bosses for far too long. They have been told they don't matter. They are not important. They could be replaced within the hour. They are now beginning to realize they have some real power. Now the bosses are crying that their plight is the result of the laziness of the average worker. They ignore the fact that those companies that pay and treat their employees well have no such problems. So yeah, I root for the american worker.

You know what. These guys wouldn't dare share these feelings at their place of work or in their Sunday school class. I guess Volnation gives them that outlet to share what they truly think about other people. So really their opinions in this matter are irrelevant. But does show their true colors. Which I'm glad they've shared.

 

[utvolpj]

Apparently not. Since according to the article posted they have to go through a 4 to 12 week certification course.

So not only was the post about brining people off the street and training them as a CNA in an hour an absurd statement, it also cannot be done that way. You would have to take them off the street and make sure they go through the proper certification to become a CNA.

So it's your contention that it would take 4-12 weeks to teach someone to change bedsheets and empty bedpans? No wonder you think sign spinner is skilled

 

[ClearwaterVol]

No, you didn’t. I know CNAs have to be certified. But most of that certification has nothing to do with the level of care they provide. As I said, pull 10 people off the street and they can be changing bed pans and bathing granny in an hour. I said nothing about how good they would be at it.

But, being good at something and being skilled at something are vastly different. I’m a good driver. Been driving for nearly 40 years. Never had an accident, either. But I’m not Chase Elliot and no matter how much I practice or how much I spend, I’m never going to match the skill of a professional race car driver.

A CNA, at the end of the day, is still just a CNA. He or she will never acquire the skills needed to be an RN, LPN, or brain surgeon after only 12-24 weeks of training at a community college.

And an RN will never be a surgeon does that make RNs unskilled labor too? Your line appears arbitrary and based more upon your feelings and perceptions than any discernible skills, training or education.

And your argument about CNAs is about how I feel about cops. They have to have a GED and 22 weeks of training. Grab a dozen monkeys I say and give 'em badges and put em to work.

 

[Rickyvol77]

You know what. These guys wouldn't dare share these feelings at their place of work or in their Sunday school class. I guess Volnation gives them that outlet to share what they truly think about other people. So really their opinions in this matter are irrelevant. But does show their true colors. Which I'm glad they've shared.

Again the CEO directly uses the terms skilled and unskilled labor in meetings and emails because he like most intelligent people understand that this is a business term not an insult. It’s a shame that some can’t grasp simple concepts which is a good indicator of why they’ve never been in charge or lead anything of note

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Again the CEO directly uses the terms skilled and unskilled labor in meetings and emails because he like most intelligent people understand that this is a business term not an insult. It’s a shame that some can’t grasp simple concepts which is a good indicator of why they’ve never been in charge or lead anything of note

Meetings at which the unskilled are present. I am gonna call bs on that one.

 

[C-south]

Why is it skilled labor and a fork lift operator is not?

How well do you back up a 53’ trailer?

 

[MG1968]

And an RN will never be a surgeon does that make RNs unskilled labor too? Your line appears arbitrary and based more upon your feelings and perceptions than any discernible skills, training or education.

And your argument about CNAs is about how I feel about cops. They have to have a GED and 22 weeks of training. Grab a dozen monkeys I say and give 'em badges and put em to work.

Let’s throw lawyers into that mix while we’re at it.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Meetings at which the unskilled are present. I am gonna call bs on that one.

He did last year when he discussed the difference in pay increases between levels of team members. Again it’s not that big a deal

 

[MG1968]

How well do you back up a 53’ trailer?

Or pull an empty set of doubles with a single axle day cab through western North Carolina during a winter storm

 

[hog88]

I don't think you've ever claimed any job was unskilled.

Every job takes some skill.

We're all whores, we sell our bodies and or minds for money so debating what is considered skilled labor or not is pointless.

 

[DonjoVol]

Every job takes some skill.

We're all whores, we sell our bodies and or minds for money so debating what is considered skilled labor or not is pointless.

You're right it is pointless. Just hope the hyenas don't come after you next for saying "Every job takes some skill". Doubt they will though.

 

[NCFisher]

I believe that it was a good thing.

Was the average worker any more or any less important in 1965 as compared to today? In 1965, CEOs earned about 21 times what the average employee earned. Today that number is 351 times. American businesses have been taking advantage of the workers who made their success possible for decades. It is about damn time the workers pushed back. The average CEO pay rose 1,322% since 1978 and the average worker realized an 18% pay increase over the same period.

Do you think really CEO types and corporations were the ones who took it in the shorts the last two years, or small business that employs nearly half of the country? Is it CEOs kids attending public school whose academic growth and socialization was halted at pre-pandemic level? Or tightening their belt or experiencing genuine hardship over runaway inflation? Being bankrupted and evicted?

It's a corporatist system. Workers didn't push back; leftist government winked at industry who absorbed the costs that small business can't or that makes their existence tenuous. The Fed - Reserve and government - have an egregious history of causing catastrophe while 'managing the economy', I marvel why anyone thinks them capable of it.