The Great Labor Force Debate

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#77
Rickyvol77 said:
Jesus you went to a public school didn’t you? Let me guess, in a smaller rural county?

So again let me ask you very slowly and see if you can answer. Are there jobs that are unskilled labor? In YOUR own words, what do you think the term unskilled labor means?
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Every job out there is a skilled job. As they ALL are valuable to the organization.

If you feel certain jobs are unskilled please share you feelings with your company. And share your feelings with those people who are in your mind working "unskilled" jobs in your company. See if you aren't fired that afternoon.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Every job out there is a skilled job. As they ALL are valuable to the organization.

If you feel certain jobs are unskilled please share you feelings with your company. And share your feelings with those people who are in your mind working "unskilled" jobs in your company. See if you aren't fired that afternoon.
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So you believe a guy hired to twirl a sign outside is a skilled job? A guy that walks around with a sandwich board sign? A girl who strips? A guy who picks up trash in the park?

I mean you are ridiculous in saying these are skilled positions. Your problem is you don’t have even a simple understanding of what skilled labor vs unskilled labor even means
 
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DonjoVol said:
This pandemic also showed how valuable these positions were. Now companies are having to raise their starting pay to fill them. Which is something that honestly should have been done at least 5 years ago.
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To compete with govt. That's not the free market
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
So you believe a guy hired to twirl a sign outside is a skilled job? A guy that walks around with a sandwich board sign? A girl who strips? A guy who picks up trash in the park?

I mean you are ridiculous in saying these are skilled positions. Your problem is you don’t have even a simple understanding of what skilled labor vs unskilled labor even means
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I know the traditional meaning just fine. My point is a CNA is just as important to the hospital as the hospital administrator is. If you don't agree with that then the hospital administrator wouldn't mind jumping in and doing some of those CNA duties from time to time.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I thought I'd never see someone with the title of VP worse than Kamala Harris and Dick Cheney until I came to Volnation.
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Now this is an interesting statement. The difference in skill levels between Harris and Cheney could be described in light years.

I often use Dick Cheney as an example of someone who was very effective and highly competent. People (and inferring from the quote, you are among them) seem to conflate likability with competence. I would not be surprised that in person, Kamala may very well be more likable than Cheney. But I if want someone to prepare a response to a national emergency, I'm going with Dick Cheney every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

I am not sure Kamala could organize a bake sale. Dick Cheney would have the 2nd largest bakery in the US at the end of three months.
 
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'Unskilled' broadly refers to low-skilled, 'skills' readily found in the population or acquired with ease; if you emerged from elementary school equipped for it, probably 'unskilled'. Prevalence and demand for a 'skill' determines the value.

Nearly any functional human being can make change and cashier; the requirement is 3rd grade math while not drooling on the frozen peas. A CCNA designation no longer commands the wage it did ten years ago, but still pays better than cashiering and is, relatively, a skilled position.

Why is this a thread?
 
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utvolpj said:
To compete with govt. That's not the free market
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It wasn't competing with government in those cases. Many people left that industry and went elsewhere. That was the free market at work and not the government.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Now this is an interesting statement. The difference in skill levels between Harris and Cheney could be described in light years.

I often use Dick Cheney as an example of someone who was very effective and highly competent. People (and inferring from the quote, you are among them) seem to conflate likability with competence. I would not be surprised that in person, Kamala may very well be more likable than Cheney. But I if want someone to prepare a response to a national emergency, I'm going with Dick Cheney every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

I am not sure Kamala could organize a bake sale. Dick Cheney would have the 2nd largest bakery in the US at the end of three months.
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I personally don't like Dick Cheney as he was a neocon warmonger. That's why I put him in the same boat as Kamala.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I know the traditional meaning just fine. My point is a CNA is just as important to the hospital as the hospital administrator is. If you don't agree with that then the hospital administrator wouldn't mind jumping in and doing some of those CNA duties from time to time.
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I’ve been on the front lines before. Doing hard tasks isn’t the same as the definition of skilled labor. Again. Not rocket science to understand this. A CNA is important but doesn’t have the skilled labor to handle an executive position
 
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NCFisher said:
'Unskilled' broadly refers to low-skilled, 'skills' readily found in the population or acquired with ease; if you emerged from elementary school equipped for it, probably 'unskilled'. Prevalence and demand for a 'skill' determines the value.

Nearly any functional human being can make change and cashier; the requirement is 3rd grade math while not drooling on the frozen peas. A CCNA designation no longer commands the wage it did ten years ago, but still pays better than cashiering and is, relatively, a skilled position.

Why is this a thread?
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Because donjo is butthurt that janitors and waiters are considered “lower class” in his mind and it hurts his feelz to admit that unskillled labor is an actual thing
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
So you believe a guy hired to twirl a sign outside is a skilled job? A guy that walks around with a sandwich board sign? A girl who strips? A guy who picks up trash in the park?

I mean you are ridiculous in saying these are skilled positions. Your problem is you don’t have even a simple understanding of what skilled labor vs unskilled labor even means
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Easy there cowboy. Some strippers are extremely skilled.

From your posts, it seems apparent that you like to look down on people that don't have a job that requires GED and 22 weeks of training. Why?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
He didn’t invent the triple option or the flexbone
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Go read up on Paul Johnson's offense when you have time. The offense at Army and Navy are based off what Johnson ran. It's a spread-flexbone. The triple option just happens to be one of the plays under that offense. Pass plays in that offense can also be very dangerous.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I know the traditional meaning just fine. My point is a CNA is just as important to the hospital as the hospital administrator is. If you don't agree with that then the hospital administrator wouldn't mind jumping in and doing some of those CNA duties from time to time.
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A hospital can function indefinitely without CNAs and no one in a hospital will look to a CNA to answer questions about revenue, employee benefits, or hiring other CNAs.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Easy there cowboy. Some strippers are extremely skilled.

From your posts, it seems apparent that you like to look down on people that don't have a job that requires GED and 22 weeks of training. Why?
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I’m not looking down on anyone. I’m correctly pointing out that unskilled labor exists while Donjo is claiming every job is skilled labor and the exact same
 
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DonjoVol said:
Go read up on Paul Johnson's offense when you have time. The offense at Army and Navy are based off what Johnson ran. It's a spread-flexbone. The triple option just happens to be one of the plays under that offense. Pass plays in that offense can also be very dangerous.
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He took his offense ideas from Mouse Davis and has said as much. Guess he is lying too huh?
 
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DonjoVol said:
I know the traditional meaning just fine. My point is a CNA is just as important to the hospital as the hospital administrator is. If you don't agree with that then the hospital administrator wouldn't mind jumping in and doing some of those CNA duties from time to time.
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There's a larger pool of CNAs for a reason. While there are many ineffective managers and officers, good ones are the difference in allocating human and fiscal resources effectively to be competitive, keep the doors open and everyone employed. The CNA not so much. A substandard CNA can be replaced, while a substandard CEO can destroy the company.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I personally don't like Dick Cheney as he was a neocon warmonger. That's why I put him in the same boat as Kamala.
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But I thought you were arguing most of this thread about skill sets, not one's personal perception of people's ideology. He may very well be a neocon warmonger. If so, he seemed to be highly skilled and effective at it.
 
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MG1968 said:
A hospital can function indefinitely without CNAs and no one in a hospital will look to a CNA to answer questions about revenue, employee benefits, or hiring other CNAs.
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Okay. Go tell that to an RN that works at a hospital that the hospital can function without CNAs.

You guys really love showing your true colors on here. At this point I'm just going to say keep up the good work.
 
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Vol737 said:
I’d say driving anything you could potentially kill yourself or others on, that doesn’t drive just like the simplest of cars or golf carts and has multiple controls to operate, is a skill.
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I agree. Stocking pallets 4 and 5 levels high is another skill. What may take more skill than I can muster, is to get my son off the computers and get HIM to start driving a forklift. Or heck, even a car. I offered him a Tesla already.
 
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MG1968 said:
A hospital can function indefinitely without CNAs and no one in a hospital will look to a CNA to answer questions about revenue, employee benefits, or hiring other CNAs.
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Not to mention a CNA dealing with a lawsuit, or Joint Commission or state politicians or CMS standards or costs. Etc.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Okay. Go tell that to an RN that works at a hospital that the hospital can function without CNAs.

You guys really love showing your true colors on here. At this point I'm just going to say keep up the good work.
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It’s definitely the entire world that’s wrong about this and you are right 😂😂😂
 
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