The Great Labor Force Debate

#101
#101
MG1968 said:
A hospital can function indefinitely without CNAs and no one in a hospital will look to a CNA to answer questions about revenue, employee benefits, or hiring other CNAs.
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Yeah, I am not sure you're correct. Get rid of the CNAs and watch the nurses walk. Then the doctors. The only ones left would be those skilled administrators.
 
#102
#102
GroverCleveland said:
But I thought you were arguing most of this thread about skill sets, not one's personal perception of people's ideology. He may very well be a neocon warmonger. If so, he seemed to be highly skilled and effective at it.
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Oh I'm not saying either one isn't smart. Both him and Kamala are highly intelligent. Cheney helped keep us in wars and Kamala may be on the same path. So I guess you are right. They both seem to be highly skilled and effective neocon warmongers. Good point.
 
#103
#103
DonjoVol said:
Okay. Go tell that to an RN that works at a hospital that the hospital can function without CNAs.

You guys really love showing your true colors on here. At this point I'm just going to say keep up the good work.
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An RN can change a bedpan or bathe a comatose patient. A CNA can’t administer medication, draw blood, or assist in surgery.
 
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#104
Rickyvol77 said:
It’s definitely the entire world that’s wrong about this and you are right 😂😂😂
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Just like your "private business can do as they please" ideology. Where you are right and everyone else is wrong. Although you have admitted in reality they can't do what they want.
 
#105
#105
MG1968 said:
An RN can change a bedpan or bathe a comatose patient. A CNA can’t administer medication, draw blood, or assist in surgery.
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An RN doesn't want to do those duties and shouldn't have to. If they are tied up with doing the job of a CNA they might not be able to the rest of their job properly. Or could get behind.
 
#106
#106
DonjoVol said:
Just like your "private business can do as they please" ideology. Where you are right and everyone else is wrong. Although you have admitted in reality they can't do what they want.
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Go tell your boss you don’t agree with his/her policies and that you will do as you want then 😂
 
#107
#107
ClearwaterVol said:
Yeah, I am not sure you're correct. Get rid of the CNAs and watch the nurses walk. Then the doctors. The only ones left would be those skilled administrators.
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That’s only because the duties of a CNA are beneath the skill set and education required of an RN or MD. You can pick 10 people off the street and within an hour or so they can be performing the duties of a CNA.
 
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#108
DonjoVol said:
An RN doesn't want to do those duties and shouldn't have to. If they are tied up with doing the job of a CNA they might not be able to the rest of their job properly. Or could get behind.
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Wow you speak for RNs too? You sure know a lot of skilled laborers and their job duties
 
#110
#110
MG1968 said:
That’s only because the duties of a CNA are beneath the skill set and education required of an RN or MD. You can pick 10 people off the street and within an hour or so they can be performing the duties of a CNA.
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It’s like they have a mental block of this simple understanding
 
#111
#111
MG1968 said:
That’s only because the duties of a CNA are beneath the skill set and education required of an RN or MD. You can pick 10 people off the street and within an hour or so they can be performing the duties of a CNA.
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You can't just pick 10 people off the street to be CNAs in an hour. I'm sure Mr VP Ricky even knows this and will correct you on it.
 
#112
#112
DonjoVol said:
Oh I'm not saying either one isn't smart. Both him and Kamala are highly intelligent. Cheney helped keep us in wars and Kamala may be on the same path. So I guess you are right. They both seem to be highly skilled and effective neocon warmongers. Good point.
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Good God man! You really do have a reading comprehension problem as some have stated here. I've said nothing of the sort! I somewhat agree with your point about regardless of the position, some level of skill is needed to be good and effective at it. Long story which I will not repeat here, but I learned that lesson on the suck-pipe of a cotton gin when I was 17 years old, something which would probably be considered as unskilled as any job in America.

But you come back with a silly, inane, smart aleck response like this? No wonder folks are giving you are hard time. How old are you? 16? Or are you an English lit/philosophy major?
 
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#113
ClearwaterVol said:
Is being a cop a skilled position or no? I don't think there is a whole lot more skill needed than the sign spinning guy.
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Right?
I've marveled at why sign guys are required to go through academy, regular training, be a social worker, criminal investigator, layman lawyer, and authorized to put a bullet in your noggin in extreme circumstance, just to be a sign post.

To add injury to insult, they're often compared to cops.
 
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DonjoVol said:
You can't just pick 10 people off the street to be CNAs in an hour. I'm sure Mr VP Ricky even knows this and will correct you on it.
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GroverCleveland said:
Good God man! You really do have a reading comprehension problem as some have stated here. I've said nothing of the sort! I somewhat agree with your point about regardless of the position, some level of skill is needed to be good and effective at it. Long story which I will not repeat here, but I learned that lesson on the suck-pipe of a cotton gin when I was 17 years old, something which would probably be considered as unskilled as any job in America.

But you come back with a silly, inane, smart aleck response like this? No wonder folks are giving you are hard time. How old are you? 16? Or are you an English lit/philosophy major?
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my gut tells me he is in his 20s and came from a public school background at a very small school in a very rural white county. He worked at various unskilled jobs and developed a jealously for people who were above him in the food chain and demand respect everywhere eh goes because he “feels” he’s just as important as others. He’s just too stubborn to admit that he’s wrong and that unskilled labor isn’t a pie in the sky fantasy term but one actually used everyday in business and economics.
 
#117
#117
Rickyvol77 said:
my gut tells me he is in his 20s and came from a public school background at a very small school in a very rural white county. He worked at various unskilled jobs and developed a jealously for people who were above him in the food chain and demand respect everywhere eh goes because he “feels” he’s just as important as others. He’s just too stubborn to admit that he’s wrong and that unskilled labor isn’t a pie in the sky fantasy term but one actually used everyday in business and economics.
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Plausible explanation as well. One thing is for sure: he did not develop any debate skills.
 
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#119
#119
Rickyvol77 said:
my gut tells me he is in his 20s and came from a public school background at a very small school in a very rural white county. He worked at various unskilled jobs and developed a jealously for people who were above him in the food chain and demand respect everywhere eh goes because he “feels” he’s just as important as others. He’s just too stubborn to admit that he’s wrong and that unskilled labor isn’t a pie in the sky fantasy term but one actually used everyday in business and economics.
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My thoughts are you are as much of a VP as Fred Sanford was a high end art dealer.
 
#120
#120
DonjoVol said:
And you guys did?
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Actually yes. I did come from a poor, rural (considered black) county that produced three state championship literary teams over ten years, of which I was a member of one in debate, extemporaneous speaking and essay.

Does this qualify as game, set, match?
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Actually yes. I did come from a poor, rural (considered black) county that produced three state championship literary teams over ten years, of which I was a member of one in debate, extemporaneous speaking and essay.
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All I'll say is that I didn't go to a small rural high school like Ricky assumes. Although there is nothing wrong with that. It's his way of throwing juvenile insults. And he wants us to believe he is really a VP in healthcare. Not buying it.

Remember in Shawshank Redemption how everyone was "innocent"?

Well here in Volnation most everyone is a "big shot"
 
#122
#122
NCFisher said:
Right?
I've marveled at why sign guys are required to go through academy, regular training, be a social worker, criminal investigator, layman lawyer, and authorized to put a bullet in your noggin in extreme circumstance, just to be a sign post.

To add injury to insult, they're often compared to cops.
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GED and 22 weeks. Where is the division for skilled vs. unskilled? How many weeks of training does it take to become skilled labor? Is the person that does your nails considered skilled labor?
 
#123
#123
GroverCleveland said:
Actually yes. I did come from a poor, rural (considered black) county that produced three state championship literary teams over ten years, of which I was a member of one in debate, extemporaneous speaking and essay.

Does this qualify as game, set, match?
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Ouch
 
#125
#125
ClearwaterVol said:
GED and 22 weeks. Where is the division for skilled vs. unskilled? How many weeks of training does it take to become skilled labor? Is the person that does your nails considered skilled labor?
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So you also believe that all jobs are “skilled labor” and that unskilled labor doesn’t exist within the business/economic world?
 
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