The Great Labor Force Debate

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Rickyvol77 said:
We aren’t the emotional ones in this debate comrade. We are spouting truth and facts in economic and business terms and you both are talking about what you “feel” is fair
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You're not the emotional one? You got some jokes today. Believe you might have missed your calling as a stand up comedian.
 
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C-south said:
I think most everyone could do it they just choose not to.
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Exactly. You , myself and others have chosen not to. That's why we shouldn't look down on jobs people are doing. Dealing with the public does require skills.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
No, I am judging you based upon the content of your comments. You come across as holier than thou.
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Nope just pointing out (along with the other 97% in this thread) to Donjo what actual business and economic people classify as skilled and unskilled labor and why that is. He simply refuses to even acknowledge the simple truth that he is wrong and still thinks all jobs are skilled. Which isn’t factually correct in anyone else’s reality. And if you look he has been the one name calling and juvenile responses in this thread. I’ve mostly ignored that because his emotional irrationality speaks for itself
 
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Maybe everyone will find this story from days gone by interesting:

Up until about 30-35 years ago, most baled cotton from the gins was eventually "compressed" to a higher density for shipping, mostly by huge steam-driven machines, many of which by then were 75+ years old, some even dating back to the 1890s. It would take a crew of about 18 men to man a press.

The most highly-paid man on the press gang was a position known as the "chanter." His job was to "call the press" in rhythms to match the operation of the press and to ramp up the speed of the gang as they warmed up. His rhythms would coincide with press operations so the gang were operating as much on sounds for their cues as visual references.

Charles Karalt did a segment on a compress operating in Natchitoches, Louisiana. There was an old man who had worked on the press since he was young and now just stood by with a cane calling the press. I've not seen it in over 30 years, but it was well done.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Nope just pointing out (along with the other 97% in this thread) to Donjo what actual business and economic people classify as skilled and unskilled labor and why that is. He simply refuses to even acknowledge the simple truth that he is wrong and still thinks all jobs are skilled. Which isn’t factually correct in anyone else’s reality. And if you look he has been the one name calling and juvenile responses in this thread. I’ve mostly ignored that because his emotional irrationality speaks for itself
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Wow. You really know how to twist things to make it sound like you're somehow a victim here. Lol.

My responses were in response to yours. Would you like to go back and visit the many insults and juvenile remarks you've made .
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Dealing with the public is a skill and not everyone can do it. Being a bartender is a skill and not everyone can do it.
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There are exceptions to just about anything but so far Donjo hasn't acknowledged that. So far his position is all jobs are skilled jobs. All jobs.

But the pool of potential candidates for a job that only requires public interaction with no education or certification requirements is vast when compared to something that requires certification or education before you can be hired. There are separations in skill levels required for certain jobs. No skill, low skill, or skilled. Donjo doesn't accept that. He keeps taking it as a personal insult towards a person working a job that doesn't require a unique skill or education. Although I'm pretty sure there are a couple of posters that are just having fun with his over sensitivity.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Nope just pointing out (along with the other 97% in this thread) to Donjo what actual business and economic people classify as skilled and unskilled labor and why that is. He simply refuses to even acknowledge the simple truth that he is wrong and still thinks all jobs are skilled. Which isn’t factually correct in anyone else’s reality. And if you look he has been the one name calling and juvenile responses in this thread. I’ve mostly ignored that because his emotional irrationality speaks for itself
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Again, it is how you are perceived. Say nope all you want. You still come across that way.
 
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C-south said:
There is no skill required and based on how employers in these areas are taking anyone they can get you don’t even have to be good at it.
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They are not just taking anyone they can get. Trust me there were people I interviewed as a restaurant manager that I did not want working for me and did not hire.
 
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TheDeeble said:
There are exceptions to just about anything but so far Donjo hasn't acknowledged that. So far his position is all jobs are skilled jobs. All jobs.
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Did you see the comment someone made about how they could just get 10 people off the street and they could be a CNA in an hour? Would you care to correct them on this?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Again, it is how you are perceived. Say nope all you want. You still come across that way.
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Ok still I don’t care how you perceive me. I know that I’m factually correct here on this topic and that emotional feelz is the contrary view not logic or reason. So feel how you want. It doesn’t affect reality or truth and doesn’t even matter.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Have you not seen the condescending, holier than thou remarks people have made? You don't see an issue with that?

Once again. People depend on Walmart and McDonald's daily. Therefore those jobs are skilled and necessary for our society and economy to function. I never said they required a college education or even specialized training in many cases but they do require skills. All jobs require skills of some sort.
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People patronize Wally & McD daily because of the perceived convenience or value their business model provides, not because their employees are highly skilled because the vast majority are not. That majority are either workplace entrants or people with skills that are not valued as the plumber's, or cop, or RN, or IT Cybersec guy/woman; i.e. - unskilled. It literally takes no skill to stock shelves, cashier, clean, or say "that's on isle 5"; that's just a blunt statement of truth.

You, me, everyone decides every day what their 'skills' are worth through that patronage. Semantics doesn't change it, only the person's ability or desire to earn a better wage or have a better standard of living.
 
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C-south said:
What skill would one have to possess that everyone else doesn’t have?
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Knowing how to actually make drinks is more than just the recipe. There are techniques which are all skills that must be learned over time. Dealing with the public is a skill. Diffusing dangerous situations on a regular basis. Great communication skills. Memory. Math skills. Composure under pressure. Stamina.

Standing behind the bar does not a bartender make.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Ok still I don’t care how you perceive me. I know that I’m factually correct here on this topic and that emotional feelz is the contrary view not logic or reason. So feel how you want. It doesn’t affect reality or truth and doesn’t even matter.
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Their argument is most definitely based on emotion. In their eyes basically everything anyone does is a skill which isn’t how employers view it. If you can be replaced by virtually anyone, a kid even, then you are working an unskilled job.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Ok still I don’t care how you perceive me. I know that I’m factually correct here on this topic and that emotional feelz is the contrary view not logic or reason. So feel how you want. It doesn’t affect reality or truth and doesn’t even matter.
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Perception is reality. I don't feel anything about you. I know you come off as a jerk.
 
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NCFisher said:
People patronize Wally & McD daily because of the perceived convenience or value their business model provides, not because their employees are highly skilled because the vast majority are not. That majority are either workplace entrants or people with skills that are not valued as the plumber's, or cop, or RN, or IT Cybersec guy/woman; i.e. - unskilled. It literally takes no skill to stock shelves, cashier, clean, or say "that's on isle 5"; that's just a blunt statement of truth.

You, me, everyone decides every day what their 'skills' are worth through that patronage. Semantics doesn't change it, only the person's ability or desire to earn a better wage or have a better standard of living.
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You go to these places and basically have to do their job for them. At Walmart now there’s one or two lanes open with cashiers and the rest are self checkout. Same with the touch screens at McDonald’s where you place your own order without saying a word to anyone.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
The line still isn't clear. Is a chef skilled or unskilled labor?
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I don't know if you'll find a clearly defined line that everyone agrees to.

What kind of chef? A short order chef that doesn't go through a school? Someone that use to take orders at a choke and puke and is taught in a few hours how to cook eggs, bacon, pancakes, and toast?

Or are you talking about a Michelin star winning chef that went to school and studied for years under other skilled chefs?

Or any of the other variations in between?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
The line still isn't clear. Is a chef skilled or unskilled labor?
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Of course and being able to differentiate between someone who has had specialized training to do a more advanced job vs someone who was trained for half an hour on how to flip and burger and put it in a warmer isn’t the same.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Perception is reality. I don't feel anything about you. I know you come off as a jerk.
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People don’t like to be told that their beliefs and opinions are wrong thus they call people “mean” and “jerks” and “racists” and such. It’s human nature
 
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