The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

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utvolpj said:
He bragged about working to get that section passed and how vital it was for covid relief. It was essentially a half trillion for big business that didn't need reporting. Haven't looked it up recently but I did research it plenty back then and had that conclusion. He was also one of the few Trump didn't fire which likely means they agreed on most
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CARES was bipartisan and passed unanimously in Senate and 419-6 in House...
 
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utvolpj said:
Calling it bipartisan means nothing when both sides were completely criminal in the covid response. That's even more true when it comes to spending others money
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The PPP was a Democratic initiative thrown in there to get quick D passage...

All further expansions to PPP were proposes by the Ds
 
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utvolpj said:
Calling it bipartisan means nothing when both sides were completely criminal in the covid response. That's even more true when it comes to spending others money
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Now if you want to know why ERC has been plagued by fraud, we can talk and blame the Rs

(It was Steve Wynn and Sheldon Adelson's lobbyists)
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
The PPP was a Democratic initiative thrown in there to get quick D passage...

All further expansions to PPP were proposes by the Ds
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Not sure of your point. Why do I care who proposed it when I can see who voted for it and signed it? The spending on covid was criminal and outright theft. We're paying for it now
 
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luthervol said:
Of course it was.
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How? They were the rightful Electors had ongoing voter fraud cases in their State been successful or if Mike Pence had chosen any number of possible paths on 1/6. In most States, Electors have to be chosen by a certain date, to fulfill that, alternate electors met and filed their paperwork.

This wasnt false or fraud and to pretend it is and to support the use lawfare to punish these people is grotesque.
 
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utvolpj said:
Not sure of your point. Why do I care who proposed it when I can see who voted for it and signed it? The spending on covid was criminal and outright theft. We're paying for it now
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You were the one who claimed that Mnuchin took half a trillion (from a D idea and bipartisan supported) from enacted legislation and gave it to huge corps (less than .1% to publicy traded corps) without disclosure (the names were released)...

Not arguing with you that the spending was stupid, the oversight was lax, or that it's causing our issues now but to throw this solely at the feet of Trump/Mnuchin is revisionist history....
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
You were the one who claimed that Mnuchin took half a trillion (from a D idea and bipartisan supported) from enacted legislation and gave it to huge corps (less than .1% to publicy traded corps) without disclosure (the names were released)...

Not arguing with you that the spending was stupid, the oversight was lax, or that it's causing our issues now but to throw this solely at the feet of Trump/Mnuchin is revisionist history....
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The $500 bil was a separate item for large businesses that Mnuchin controlled. Trump and Mnuchin fought to be able to control it without oversight. Trump disagreed even after some oversight was added (signing statements i think?). I'm more concerned with what they were attempting to pull off with the half trillion
 
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volgr said:
How? They were the rightful Electors had ongoing voter fraud cases in their State been successful or if Mike Pence had chosen any number of possible paths on 1/6. In most States, Electors have to be chosen by a certain date, to fulfill that, alternate electors met and filed their paperwork.

This wasnt false or fraud and to pretend it is and to support the use lawfare to punish these people is grotesque.
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Of course it was false. Biden received the most votes. Had it somehow been proven otherwise after the fact, they could have met and signed some document at that point.
 
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utvolpj said:
The $500 bil was a separate item for large businesses that Mnuchin controlled. Trump and Mnuchin fought to be able to control it without oversight. Trump disagreed even after some overtake was added (signing statements i think?). I'm more concerned with what they were attempting to pull off with the half trillion
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There was so much waste its hard to keep up. Spouse worked for a firm that did ERC incentives. God bless government waste...
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
There was so much waste its hard to keep up. Spouse worked for a firm that did ERC incentives. God bless government waste...
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It has been a long time and trying to search for specific things at this point is almost useless. I just remember that time with Mnuchin stuck out to me. You have to think waste is just an extra line item at this point. It's baked in
 
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utvolpj said:
It has been a long time and trying to search for specific things at this point is almost useless. I just remember that time with Mnuchin stuck out to me. You have to think waste is just an extra line item at this point. It's baked in
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I know with ERC they had everything agreed too with a framework that had been used in past with prior disasters.

At like 1 AM, Adelson's and Wynn's lobbyist (both huge R donors) came in and tweaked the bill's language in such a way that it pretty much made every business eligible in America. They squeezed it through and never updated the fiscal note...
 
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utvolpj said:
Not sure of your point. Why do I care who proposed it when I can see who voted for it and signed it? The spending on covid was criminal and outright theft. We're paying for it now
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I don't think you will find many that will disagree with you on that but that's not the way you framed the discussion from the beginning.
 
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hog88 said:
I don't think you will find many that will disagree with you on that but that's not the way you framed the discussion from the beginning.
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What did I misrepresent? There was a separate fund for large businesses for a half trillion, controlled by Mnuchin, that both he and Trump argued should not have to be reported back to Congress. That's a slush fund
 
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utvolpj said:
What did I misrepresent? There was a separate fund for large businesses for a half trillion, controlled by Mnuchin, that both he and Trump argued should not have to be reported back to Congress. That's a slush fund
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Do you have a link to that? I haven't seen anything about that separate fund for large businesses.
 
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