The military purge stepping up

[hog88]

So, you're butthurt because you got passed over for a job and wear that 214 chip on your shoulder? I see now...

They are dozens of factors I take into account in the first two minutes of an interview. Being a veteran and in the field I'm looking for might get you a call, but it isn't going to get you a job unless I feel you will be a good fit. Can you get along with your manager, director or VP? Is your resume being embellished? That right there is a huge problem I've seen with veterans and luckily, I can call BS on the infantry E-4 that says they've got extensive leadership experience.

And no, there shouldn't be this "equal pay" nonsense because the pay gap isn't they bad. And furthermore, if you're only in the military for money, you don't need to be in the military.

Going to have to throw a flag on this one. E-4s in the infantry are routinely assigned as team leaders, I know a high speed low drag corporal that once held a squad leader position for a few months.

 

[DonjoVol]

So, you're butthurt because you got passed over for a job and wear that 214 chip on your shoulder? I see now...

They are dozens of factors I take into account in the first two minutes of an interview. Being a veteran and in the field I'm looking for might get you a call, but it isn't going to get you a job unless I feel you will be a good fit. Can you get along with your manager, director or VP? Is your resume being embellished? That right there is a huge problem I've seen with veterans and luckily, I can call BS on the infantry E-4 that says they've got extensive leadership experience.

And no, there shouldn't be this "equal pay" nonsense because the pay gap isn't they bad. And furthermore, if you're only in the military for money, you don't need to be in the military.

LMAO. I'm glad someone is coming to assumptions about me again.

So in other words they need to play the typical game of putting the right things on their resume and saying exactly what you want to hear in the interview. Sounds like you are one of these people who are stuck in an old, outdated way. Keep in mind if there is a high turnover in a position in your company then that resume likely crossed your desk and you had a hand in hiring the people for those positions.

Perhaps that person isn't embellishing on their resume. People in the military often end up filling more senior positions at times so likely what they could be putting out there is true. Sounds like your slapping on a stereotype automatically when a veteran's resume comes across your desk. Plus you already said they need to be willing to accept the entry level positions and need to acclimate. There is a word for what you're doing.

 

[DonjoVol]

So, you're butthurt because you got passed over for a job and wear that 214 chip on your shoulder? I see now...

They are dozens of factors I take into account in the first two minutes of an interview. Being a veteran and in the field I'm looking for might get you a call, but it isn't going to get you a job unless I feel you will be a good fit. Can you get along with your manager, director or VP? Is your resume being embellished? That right there is a huge problem I've seen with veterans and luckily, I can call BS on the infantry E-4 that says they've got extensive leadership experience.

And no, there shouldn't be this "equal pay" nonsense because the pay gap isn't they bad. And furthermore, if you're only in the military for money, you don't need to be in the military.

I just read they are calling for a 4.6% pay raise for the military. This seems to better than many in the past. Personally I think it should be about 7 to 10 percent this time around.

And if you're going to make that statement about money then money shouldn't be a factor for most jobs then. Right?

 

[DonjoVol]

Going to have to throw a flag on this one. E-4s in the infantry are routinely assigned as team leaders, I know a high speed low drag corporal that once held a squad leader position for a few months.

I also knew someone who was a PFC (E-2) at the time that was assigned as the company training NCO. For those that don't understand that's a position usually filled by a Corporal (E-4) or Sergeant (E-5). This person did this job for well over a year until they were finally moved into their actual MOS.

Also my MOS in particular was closed for promotion to Corporal for 18 months at one point. So you had a lot of Lance Corporals acting as NCOs in that field.

 

[TheDeeble]

So in other words they need to play the typical game of putting the right things on their resume and saying exactly what you want to hear in the interview. Sounds like you are one of these people who are stuck in an old, outdated way.

I didn't know the new trend is to hire people with bad resumes and say the wrong things in interviews.

 

[hog88]

I didn't know the new trend is to hire people with bad resumes and say the wrong things in interviews.

You haven't been keeping up.....

 

[DonjoVol]

I didn't know the new trend is to hire people with bad resumes and say the wrong things in interviews.

Who said they were bad resumes? Perhaps the best ones are being overlooked. Second. People should relax and be themselves in interviews. But do it in a manner where they remain professional. You along with others shouldn't expect people to say only what you want to hear in an interview. That often leads to bad hiring decisions.

 

[TheDeeble]

Who said they were bad resumes? Perhaps the best ones are being overlooked. Second. People should relax and be themselves in interviews. But do it in a manner where they remain professional. You along with others shouldn't expect people to say only what you want to hear in an interview. That often leads to bad hiring decisions.

If people don't put the "right things on their resume", your words, that's not a good resume.

 

[Grand Vol]

Going to have to throw a flag on this one. E-4s in the infantry are routinely assigned as team leaders, I know a high speed low drag corporal that once held a squad leader position for a few months.

Generally speaking, they don't have "extensive" leadership experience and the ones that do are fairly rare.

Trust me, had you seen the resume, you would have scoffed and rolled your eyes as well.

 

[DonjoVol]

If people don't put the "right things on their resume", your words, that's not a good resume.

People can "embellish" their resume as the resident "veterans need to acclimate" poster said. That embellishment, like putting the right keywords on their resume, can sometimes get them past that first process and possibly into an interview. People can completely BS their way thru an interview. You do realize people are also taught how to impress the person conducting the interview in order to better their chances of getting the job.

Plus there are times that the position is being filled because a bad hiring decision had been made with the previous person in that position.

 

[hog88]

Generally speaking, they don't have "extensive" leadership experience and the ones that do are fairly rare.

Trust me, had you seen the resume, you would have scoffed and rolled your eyes as well.

I'm sure I would have. I've seen some doozies myself and had some good laughs.

I know exactly what you are saying, too many recently discharged have almost a sense of entitlement. It used to be I could get guys leaving the Army at Ft Campbell and start them as techs and in most cases quickly moved them to foremen or lead tech positions. Now most scoff at coming in as a tech/trainee even though they don't know how to do the job.

 

[utvolpj]

People can "embellish" their resume as the resident "veterans need to acclimate" poster said. That embellishment, like putting the right keywords on their resume, can sometimes get them past that first process and possibly into an interview. People can completely BS their way thru an interview. You do realize people are also taught how to impress the person conducting the interview in order to better their chances of getting the job.

Plus there are times that the position is being filled because a bad hiring decision had been made with the previous person in that position.

Even if you embellished on a resume you aren't bs'ing your way thru a technical interview. I'm in IT and can tell quickly if a resume is valid. I also just got thru the interview process and was very honest with what I knew and didn't know.

 

[Grand Vol]

LMAO. I'm glad someone is coming to assumptions about me again.

So in other words they need to play the typical game of putting the right things on their resume and saying exactly what you want to hear in the interview. Sounds like you are one of these people who are stuck in an old, outdated way. Keep in mind if there is a high turnover in a position in your company then that resume likely crossed your desk and you had a hand in hiring the people for those positions.

Perhaps that person isn't embellishing on their resume. People in the military often end up filling more senior positions at times so likely what they could be putting out there is true. Sounds like your slapping on a stereotype automatically when a veteran's resume comes across your desk. Plus you already said they need to be willing to accept the entry level positions and need to acclimate. There is a word for what you're doing.

I like how you are automatically assuming I am a bastard when it comes to veterans...

I'm a bastard when it comes to reviewing all candidates for a job. It's called "my job."

You would suck as a recruiter.

 

[Grand Vol]

I'm sure I would have. I've seen some doozies myself and had some good laughs.

I know exactly what you are saying, too many recently discharged have almost a sense of entitlement. It used to be I could get guys leaving the Army at Ft Campbell and start them as techs and in most cases quickly moved them to foremen or lead tech positions. Now most scoff at coming in as a tech/trainee even though they don't know how to do the job.

And to be fair, that's the military side of the house pushing that. Specifically trying to shoehorn experience into jobs that just doesn't quite fit.

 

[DonjoVol]

I like how you are automatically assuming I am a bastard when it comes to veterans...

I'm a bastard when it comes to reviewing all candidates for a job. It's called "my job."

You would suck as a recruiter.

You were the one that said they needed to just accept entry level jobs and needed to acclimate first. As long as you apply at that across the board to everyone, non veterans included, then you are being fair. They shouldn't be held to different standards than other applicants.

 

[TRUEFANVol]

You were the one that said they needed to just accept entry level jobs and needed to acclimate first. As long as you apply at that across the board to everyone, non veterans included, then you are being fair. They shouldn't be held to different standards than other applicants.

How much experience do you have as an HR professional? And where was it obtained?

 

[DonjoVol]

How much experience do you have as an HR professional? And where was it obtained?

Why do veterans have to acclimate? You can feel free to answer. If they have the right qualifications, education, and experience then there is no reason for them to have to "acclimate".

Second. It's blatant discrimination to apply different standards to veterans than non veterans. That shouldn't even be up for discussion.

 

[DonjoVol]

How much experience do you have as an HR professional? And where was it obtained?

Plus I am free to speak out on any topic I want. I hope you're not one of these conservatives who cry about free speech then try to shut down others when it comes to a topic you don't like.

 

[VolStrom]

How much experience do you have as an HR professional? And where was it obtained?

Is there such a thing as an HR professional? Most of the ones I knew in my working career weren't qualified to hire a general laborer and were scared of their own shadow to make a decision for fear of a lawsuit. It takes someone with technical knowledge to hire someone for a technical job, and almost any job as far as that goes.

 

[TRUEFANVol]

Why do veterans have to acclimate? You can feel free to answer. If they have the right qualifications, education, and experience then there is no reason for them to have to "acclimate".

Second. It's blatant discrimination to apply different standards to veterans than non veterans. That shouldn't even be up for discussion.

Interesting response to very specific questions

 

[DonjoVol]

Is there such a thing as an HR professional? Most of the ones I knew in my working career weren't qualified to hire a general laborer and were scared of their own shadow to make a decision for fear of a lawsuit. It takes someone with technical knowledge to hire someone for a technical job, and almost any job as far as that goes.

There are two of the three in this back and forth that are refusing to answer certain questions now have to claim you must have certain experience discussing a topic. I have a feeling I'm going to be hearing crickets soon because they aren't looking good with their "veterans need to acclimate" garbage.

By the way. There are also people on this forum that have made wild claims that they could take 10 people off the streets and make them CNAs in an hour. Or train a full restaurant crew and have them up to speed in 30 minutes. Typical day at Volnation I suppose.

 

[TRUEFANVol]

Plus I am free to speak out on any topic I want. I hope you're not one of these conservatives who cry about free speech then try to shut down others when it comes to a topic you don't like.

I just asked. I love the first amendment. I neither like nor dislike this topic. Carry on

 

[hog88]

Is there such a thing as an HR professional? Most of the ones I knew in my working career weren't qualified to hire a general laborer and were scared of their own shadow to make a decision for fear of a lawsuit. It takes someone with technical knowledge to hire someone for a technical job, and almost any job as far as that goes.

I'm glad I wasn't interviewed by someone with technical knowledge when I was hired. They would have seen right through my bullshot.

 

[DonjoVol]

Interesting response to very specific questions

And another non response by yourself. I guess you're too much of a coward to answer specific questions.

 

[TRUEFANVol]

Is there such a thing as an HR professional? Most of the ones I knew in my working career weren't qualified to hire a general laborer and were scared of their own shadow to make a decision for fear of a lawsuit. It takes someone with technical knowledge to hire someone for a technical job, and almost any job as far as that goes.

I've known a few duds but also some highly qualified HR managers. It's actually the direct supervisor who generally makes the decision who to hire, especially in technical jobs. The HR manager's role is to facilitate the process