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I think Mashack fits better when ZZ is not on the floor.

Our offense is too inside/out with ZZ and JM isn’t enough of a shooting threat.

When it’s Gainey running point or point by committee, offense runs a bit more traditional flex and Mashack spends a lot more time inside the line where he does have to be guarded

Edit: To clarify, when ZZ is playing, the ball sticks in his hands more. When it’s someone else paying point, there is way more passing and ball movement. And that creates less opportunity for people to slack off JM.
 
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walkenvol said:
I’m surprised some folks post favorably about Dubar’s play. It’s shocking he averaged 18 last season and shot 40% from 3 then produces nothing this season. The team and Barnes continue to make positive comments about Dubar in interviews so maybe he’s going to light it up and win us a game this year….we can hope anyway.
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I don’t think it’s shocking considering he played in a league that Hofstra is in. He has made several strong moves to the basket in SEC play. If he had to be a go-to scorer in a lower league, I can see the talent. I think he also has a good shot. I’ve missed a few games, but from the ones I’ve seen, he’s had some rim outs from three. SEC is just different.
 
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omghulkhands said:
I think Mashack fits better when ZZ is not on the floor.

Our offense is too inside/out with ZZ and JM isn’t enough of a shooting threat.

When it’s Gainey running point or point by committee, offense runs a bit more traditional flex and Mashack spends a lot more time inside the line where he does have to be guarded

Edit: To clarify, when ZZ is playing, the ball sticks in his hands more. When it’s someone else paying point, there is way more passing and ball movement. And that creates less opportunity for people to slack off JM.
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Agreed. It will be interesting what Barnes decides moving forward with some of these issues.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
That surprised me. I love the guy, but gotta go for the ultimate goal and not just be about rewarding seniority.
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Maybe those numbers don’t paint the whole picture. I’d bet Barnes believes Mashack is one of the top 2 defenders on the team and the only one who has shown the versatility to guard 1-5.

Seems like this discussion about cutting his minutes is off base anyway. We only play 4 guys for 3 guard positions and occasionally go small with all 4 on the court. That’s 120+ minutes a game for 4 guys. I think when we’re playing our highest effort defense, then 30 minutes each is a really good option. With Gainey’s improved PG play, ZZ looked better with some more rest. JMO
 
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omghulkhands said:
I think Mashack fits better when ZZ is not on the floor.

Our offense is too inside/out with ZZ and JM isn’t enough of a shooting threat.

When it’s Gainey running point or point by committee, offense runs a bit more traditional flex and Mashack spends a lot more time inside the line where he does have to be guarded

Edit: To clarify, when ZZ is playing, the ball sticks in his hands more. When it’s someone else paying point, there is way more passing and ball movement. And that creates less opportunity for people to slack off JM.
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This is true and backed by the stats also, Mashack & Zeigler don’t coexist well on the offensive end, but the question becomes who’s gonna ride the bench then? We know it’s not likely to be Zeigler.
 
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walkenvol said:
Maybe those numbers don’t paint the whole picture. I’d bet Barnes believes Mashack is one of the top 2 defenders on the team and the only one who has shown the versatility to guard 1-5.

Seems like this discussion about cutting his minutes is off base anyway. We only play 4 guys for 3 guard positions and occasionally go small with all 4 on the court. That’s 120+ minutes a game for 4 guys. I think when we’re playing our highest effort defense, then 30 minutes each is a really good option. With Gainey’s improved PG play, ZZ looked better with some more rest. JMO
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Nobody questions Mashack is a great defender, especially 1-1, the issue is on the offensive end. He gives up so much to Gainey on that end that even though he’s the better defender it doesn’t make up for the difference offensively.

I think the suggestion/thought process is maybe we give up a little on the defensive end to gain much more on the offensive end.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Nobody questions Mashack is a great defender, especially 1-1, the issue is on the offensive end. He gives up so much to Gainey on that end that even though he’s the better defender it doesn’t make up for the difference offensively.

I think the suggestion/thought process is maybe we give up a little on the defensive end to gain much more on the offensive end.
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If I had one wish left, it would be “I wish Mashack would drive to basket more often and draw fouls”

He would live at the FT line.
 
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One issue is just that Mashack simply won't take shots. He's a 47.1% FG (best among guards) and actually shoots 34.4% (2nd on team) from deep higher than Gainey, ZZ, and Igor but he just does not take his looks.

4.4 FGAs per game is nearly half that of Gainey and Igor and even Felix takes more attempts.

It wouldn't be an issue, but Shack is 3rd in minutes and Barnes' philosophy is "take the best shot" and doesn't care who it is coming from.
 
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Yeah if we could bottle up "step up" Mashack you'd be crazy to take him off the court.

2023 at Kentucky, no JJJ shack goes 7 of 12 from field for 16 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists and 2 steals
2023 vs Missouri, SECT after ZZ tore ACL shack goes 5 of 8 from field for 14 points, 4 assists and 1 steal
2023 vs South Carolina, no Phillips shack goes 5 of 7 from field for 14 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists and 2 steals

We all know it's in there... and I'm not saying he needs to take 10 shots a game...but for the amount of minutes he plays he really needs to be somewhere between 6 to 8 shots a game. He's getting that many good looks.

I think when ZZ is running the point and looking to drive the team tries too hard to stay out of the lane and give him pass out lanes. I've notice if Gainey runs it even when he drives Shack and others seem to crash to the rim looking for rebounds and put backs.

It's almost like the team expects ZZ to drive and pass so they're just waiting. Something I think defenses also expect.
 
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