The Official 2nd Amendment Appreciation Thread

#1,926
#1,926
WallyBalls said:
I went the TCP/LCP route because I can even carry in scrubs or gym clothes (in short, absolute anything I could wear), but the Bersas would be fine for most summer clothes. I just found the Bersa to be just a little big and a little heavy for clothes that light. The Bersa's are great though, there are 3 in my extended family and everybody likes them.

The Kahr .380 is worth looking at as well, IMO.
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Good idea always to check other options. I will check out the Kahr and the TCP/LCP. I don't have much experience with Taurus but may have to check them out as well.
 
#1,927
#1,927
Maxwell said:
Good idea always to check other options. I will check out the Kahr and the TCP/LCP. I don't have much experience with Taurus but may have to check them out as well.
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Like I said, my summer wardrobe is a bit different so that's why I ended up with what I did. There are several guns similar to the Ruger and Taurus so just look around.

The Sig 380s are more pricey, but I liked my 238 a lot.
 
#1,928
#1,928
+1 on the Sig 238. Great little gun. Love the Bersa too but you could get a sub 9mm that is smaller and lighter than the Bersa

My dad has an LC380 (a little bigger than the LCP) that he likes.
 
#1,932
#1,932
Did you buy an AK or AR with the Sig brace? Guess what, our fearless "leaders" now say it's illegal. That is, unless you would like to pay a $200 tribute in form of a tax stamp. All this in order to fire a weapon from your shoulder. Bureaucracy knows no limits.

http://youtu.be/XNBbXAoWRz0
 
#1,933
#1,933
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Did you buy an AK or AR with the Sig brace? Guess what, our fearless "leaders" now say it's illegal. That is, unless you would like to pay a $200 tribute in form of a tax stamp. All this in order to fire a weapon from your shoulder. Bureaucracy knows no limits.

http://youtu.be/XNBbXAoWRz0
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I'm kind of conflicted on this. First I think the whole SBR/SBS portions of the NFA are ignorant to start with...well, the whole NFA is ignorant, but anyway.

I could see the writing on the wall with this when it first came out and the ATF Tech Branch approved it. People were going to use it as an improvised stock, thus negating the original intended use for the device and the reason the designer made it that way. Here's the actual inventor and why he did it:

New Stabilizing Brace for AR15 Pistol "SB15"

Which is a great reason to design such an item. But as soon as they hit the market, you knew the ATF would reverse course on the decision since people continued to push the limits of what the design was intended to do as opposed to what they were using it for. So a designer, Black Ace Tactical, specifically designs an SBS using the Sig Brace as a stock. Which in turn gets the ATF looking at it yet again. And being that the shotgun in question uses said brace as a stock (against the original design) the ATF reverses it's original ruling even knowing the brace was likely to be used that way from the start and acknowledged that fact.

So I'm torn as the ATF was doing the proper thing, even though I don't support the NFA. But I also blame the company that used the brace as a stock as pushing the envelope to have to put them into that position. Just like the idiots that couldn't leave well enough alone on the 5.45 Russian and had to make a pistol, thus causing the ATF to classify all 7N6 surplus ammo as armor piercing and deny further imports. So the cheap spam cans of Russian surplus dried up virtually overnight. Gun owners are our own worst enemies from time to time and I can't blame the ATF for being forced into the position they are in because a manufacturer didn't know when to say enough.
 
#1,935
#1,935
Grand Vol said:
I'm kind of conflicted on this. First I think the whole SBR/SBS portions of the NFA are ignorant to start with...well, the whole NFA is ignorant, but anyway.

I could see the writing on the wall with this when it first came out and the ATF Tech Branch approved it. People were going to use it as an improvised stock, thus negating the original intended use for the device and the reason the designer made it that way. Here's the actual inventor and why he did it:

New Stabilizing Brace for AR15 Pistol "SB15"

Which is a great reason to design such an item. But as soon as they hit the market, you knew the ATF would reverse course on the decision since people continued to push the limits of what the design was intended to do as opposed to what they were using it for. So a designer, Black Ace Tactical, specifically designs an SBS using the Sig Brace as a stock. Which in turn gets the ATF looking at it yet again. And being that the shotgun in question uses said brace as a stock (against the original design) the ATF reverses it's original ruling even knowing the brace was likely to be used that way from the start and acknowledged that fact.

So I'm torn as the ATF was doing the proper thing, even though I don't support the NFA. But I also blame the company that used the brace as a stock as pushing the envelope to have to put them into that position. Just like the idiots that couldn't leave well enough alone on the 5.45 Russian and had to make a pistol, thus causing the ATF to classify all 7N6 surplus ammo as armor piercing and deny further imports. So the cheap spam cans of Russian surplus dried up virtually overnight. Gun owners are our own worst enemies from time to time and I can't blame the ATF for being forced into the position they are in because a manufacturer didn't know when to say enough.
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If only the government would have found those revenuer's something else to do. Yet, they created the ATF. The gun rights of everyday citizens have been under attack ever since.
I knew as soon as I saw the pap ak pistols with the brace that this would not end well. Ah, as usual, it is what it is.
 
#1,936
#1,936
Grand Vol said:
I'll see your CZ 1911 and raise you a Bravo Company 1911

BCM 1911

Base price for an X-Tac is $2760. So the BCM is likely going to be well north of that. But I have this feeling the BCM will likely sell out from fanboys that want that Gunfighter ® roll mark on the slide.
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Yeah, I'm betting on $3500 minimum. Personally, I'm waiting on the glock 1911 lol

That gunfighter roll mark is, er.... Interesting. Defend your choice of pistol to a grand jury with gunfighter on the side of it. LG would have a field day lol
Looks good though. Bill Wilson is a genius.
 
#1,937
#1,937
Grand Vol said:
I'll see your CZ 1911 and raise you a Bravo Company 1911

BCM 1911

Base price for an X-Tac is $2760. So the BCM is likely going to be well north of that. But I have this feeling the BCM will likely sell out from fanboys that want that Gunfighter ® roll mark on the slide.
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And I thought I $1250 was steep for the ultra CDP II I purchased a few years back. Then again, BCM is on a different level than Kimber.
 
#1,938
#1,938
ETV said:
And I thought I $1250 was steep for the ultra CDP II I purchased a few years back. Then again, BCM is on a different level than Kimber.
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It's made by Wilson Combat so automatically add $1500 to the price lol

But good guns though.
 
#1,939
#1,939
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
If only the government would have found those revenuer's something else to do. Yet, they created the ATF. The gun rights of everyday citizens have been under attack ever since.
I knew as soon as I saw the pap ak pistols with the brace that this would not end well. Ah, as usual, it is what it is.
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I agree and dislike the ATF in its entirety.

But then again, manufacturers don't need to give them the ammunition to start with so to speak.
 
#1,941
#1,941
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Yeah, I'm betting on $3500 minimum. Personally, I'm waiting on the glock 1911 lol

That gunfighter roll mark is, er.... Interesting. Defend your choice of pistol to a grand jury with gunfighter on the side of it. LG would have a field day lol
Looks good though. Bill Wilson is a genius.
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I would have to agree that in certain states it will definitely be a mark against you regarding your defense. In Texas though, it wouldn't make a difference.
 
#1,947
#1,947
Honestly VB I've never fired one. But if I were to pick one, I'd go with the 9mm. The .40 in that small of a package will be kind of snappy.
 
#1,948
#1,948
Grand Vol said:
It's made by Wilson Combat so automatically add $1500 to the price lol

But good guns though.
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The only thing standing between me and a Wilson Combat Tactical Supergrade is a winning lottery ticket.

Of course...that's turned out to be a frustratingly stubborn hurdle.
 
#1,950
#1,950
Two questions for all you gun experts:

Best 22 magnum bolt action rifle?

Best AR15 for the money under $1000?
 
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