The Official NCAA Selection Show Thread (Monday May 27 NOON EST ESPN2 )

#501
#501
OldTimer said:
There is no perfect selection process, nor will there ever be. For the teams on the bubble, they should've won more games. I do take issue with ECU getting a host spot, however I'd rather them be the 16th seed over Mississippi State. Also, I'd rather (potentially) play Wake in a Super versus another SEC team.
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Agreed.... especially about wake vs an sec for. Only fly in the ointment is Burns. Love him or hate him, the dude is a darned good pitcher. He'll be dialed in for that one as will we, but as the saying goes....good pitching beats good hitting more often than not.
 
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#506
#506
Tenacjim said:
Ole Miss has an overall losing record which makes them ineligible for an at large bid. RPI, SOS and all that other stuff is rendered moot. Auburn only won 8 conference games. Historically, for the SEC the “floor” has been 13 conference wins (I believe one team made it in with 12 at one point). So despite SOS, RPI and all those other things, there ARE some criteria related to overall wins and conference wins. Obviously, not everyone agrees. Some feel there is SEC bias and others feel the metrics prove the SEC is the strongest conference by far. Both are likely true.

If going .500 or above in your conference was part of the criteria, the 5 SEC teams that are top 8 National seeds and Miss St. (who many thought should have been the 16 seed) would be the only teams to make the tourney. Usually, the SEC is more balanced than this year. But when 5 of the top 6 teams in the country are in one conference (and 4 of the other top 9 are in one other conference) you are going to have some REALLY good teams in those conferences that have losing records within the conference. It wouldn’t really be fair to be in the SEC and have to be top 16 in the country to make a tournament of 64 when the Big 10 Champs are number 50.

Now, we got screwed ourselves a couple of times in the past in all three major sports by “people in the room” so that is definitely a part of the problem.
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This is spot on. I don’t disagree about the human element- I’ve said it previously as well. The football playoff this past year was all generated by ESPN and not results on the field. But some of this is ultimately a little subjective regardless of “who’s in the room.” The problem I have is some people just look at records, and that’s like reading the title of a book. You have to do the research and compare teams. You can’t just take conference records because every school plays a different schedule with the size of the conferences.

Chad Holbrook at C of C should know better. He scheduled Nebraska for a series and lost all of them, and their Duke game got cancelled. In comparison, Coastal played a long list of P5 schools, including midweek games when P5 teams are most vulnerable for upsets. Those two schools are on the coast two hours a part, and my wife is a C of C graduate.

Here is Baseball America’s take, which is how I ultimately feel about it:

www.baseballamerica.com

The NCAA Selection Committee Mostly Got It Right, But Process Needs More Transparency

College baseball's selection committee has a perception problem, even if this year it mostly got the NCAA Tournament field right.
www.baseballamerica.com www.baseballamerica.com
 
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#507
#507
knoxvol52 said:
Wofford would beat Florida in a series.
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52 you’re not helping.
And that’s not what I asked.
Who would you rather Tennessee play in a regional, Wofford or Florida?
I agree 100% in that I hope every SEC team, other than the Vols, gets smoked!
But I can’t not admit that the SEC is the best conference, top to bottom and 2nd place is not even close.
 
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#509
#509
cobbwebb0710 said:
52 you’re not helping.
And that’s not what I asked.
Who would you rather Tennessee play in a regional, Wofford or Florida?
I agree 100% in that I hope every SEC team, other than the Vols, gets smoked!
But I can’t not admit that the SEC is the best conference, top to bottom and 2nd place is not even close.
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I'm out.
 
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#510
#510
VolPack22 said:
If it’s a question of playing a SEC team or someone else the answer is always “someone else” just purely based on familiarity and usually having to play them in the regular season or meeting in the SECT. Wofford hasn’t played us so I would feel a lot more comfortable with them. It’s the same way in any sport. The more you play a team the more intel you have on them. Would you rather your Dolphins play the Bills in the playoffs or another team? Even though they are choke artists, you always want to avoid the team in your conference/division until the last possible chance.
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Apples to oranges...
I’d rather my Dolphins play the Bills because beating them would be so much sweeter. On the flip, I don’t want to play Florida because losing to them would hurt way too much.
My love for the orange and white is much deeper than my love for the aqua and orange.
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#511
#511
cobbwebb0710 said:
Apples to oranges...
I’d rather my Dolphins play the Bills because beating them would be so much sweeter. On the flip, I don’t want to play Florida because losing to them would hurt way too much.
My love for the orange and white is much deeper than my love for the aqua and orange.
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You wouldn’t want the Mets playing the Phillies in the first round though…
 
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#513
#513
VolPack22 said:
You wouldn’t want the Mets playing the Phillies in the first round though…
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Again, I don’t hurt for days when the Dolphins, Braves or Mets lose.
I can’t help it. It sucks but it doesn’t bother me like when the Vols lose.
Just how I am.
I want the Braves to have to go through the Phillies and Mets to get to a WS, I want the Vols to get the biggest cupcakes in the field to get to the CWS, because I can’t stand to see them lose.
 
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#514
#514
cobbwebb0710 said:
Again, I don’t hurt for days when the Dolphins, Braves or Mets lose.
I can’t help it. It sucks but it doesn’t bother me like when the Vols lose.
Just how I am.
I want the Braves to have to go through the Phillies and Mets to get to a WS, I want the Vols to get the biggest cupcakes in the field to get to the CWS, because I can’t stand to see them lose.
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But wouldn’t you just love our path to a championship be:

Southern Miss (regional)
Wake (super regional)
Florida State (CWS)
Arkansas x2 (CWS)
Vanderbilt (CWS Championship)

Oh that would be a sweet path of revenge and ultimate satisfaction!
 
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#515
VolPack22 said:
But wouldn’t you just love our path to a championship be:

Southern Miss (regional)
Wake (super regional)
Florida State (CWS)
Arkansas x2 (CWS)
Vanderbilt (CWS Championship)

Oh that would be a sweet path of revenge and ultimate satisfaction!
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Why FSU? The Manager was at Notre Dame is that why it would be sweet redemption to you?
 
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#517
VolPack22 said:
But wouldn’t you just love our path to a championship be:

Southern Miss (regional)
Wake (super regional)
Florida State (CWS)
Arkansas x2 (CWS)
Vanderbilt (CWS Championship)

Oh that would be a sweet path of revenge and ultimate satisfaction!
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I would, but do you know how pi$$ed I’ll be if we lose to Chase Burns and Wake?
Or drop the championship to vandee?
I can’t even...
 
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#521
#521
VolPack22 said:
My rebuttal is to get better. You know what type of teams you are playing so if you can’t even win 15 games then you don’t deserve to get in. So South Carolina was 13-17 with a 31st ranked RPI and 35-25 record in 2017 and they ended up firing their coach because they didn’t make the NCAAT. This was the year after they had just made a super regional. There were 4 SEC teams ranked in the top 10 and 7 in the top 25. So now we are rewarding teams for that type of record instead of firing the coach all because some selection committee thinks they are worthy of a spot? Got it.
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“Get better” is easy to say and hard to do. These guys are already coaching in by FAR the strongest conference in the nation. Expecting the extra burden of being top 16 good just to make the tourney is a bit much to ask IMO. That’s why the former USC coach is at a lower level. He may make the tourney more but he’s also probably making 20% of his USc salary.

I understand this is your opinion and nothing anyone says is going to change it. I only responded because the “why not Ole Miss and Auburn” question is hyperbolic and I think you know “why not them” without me even responding.

I said in my response the SEC is usually more balanced than this year. 2017 is a great example. There were 5 teams that year 17- 13 or better. This year there are 6. In 2017 the teams 6-10 were 15-13-1, 16-14, 16-14, 14-16 and 14-16. SC was the only 13-17 team and that was 11th place. This year after the 6 teams 17-13 or better, there were 5 teams log jammed at 13-17. It was unusual.

In the past 5 years (before this year) every SEC team that has made 14 wins has gotten in to the tournament. 13 win teams were 50/50. This year all 5 of them getting in is an anomaly but the mere fact there were 5 of them is an anomaly as well. Teams with losing records from the SEC getting in is been pretty common for years. That isn’t going to change unless the tournament is cut back.
 
#525
#525
Tenacjim said:
“Get better” is easy to say and hard to do. These guys are already coaching in by FAR the strongest conference in the nation. Expecting the extra burden of being top 16 good just to make the tourney is a bit much to ask IMO. That’s why the former USC coach is at a lower level. He may make the tourney more but he’s also probably making 20% of his USc salary.

I understand this is your opinion and nothing anyone says is going to change it. I only responded because the “why not Ole Miss and Auburn” question is hyperbolic and I think you know “why not them” without me even responding.

I said in my response the SEC is usually more balanced than this year. 2017 is a great example. There were 5 teams that year 17- 13 or better. This year there are 6. In 2017 the teams 6-10 were 15-13-1, 16-14, 16-14, 14-16 and 14-16. SC was the only 13-17 team and that was 11th place. This year after the 6 teams 17-13 or better, there were 5 teams log jammed at 13-17. It was unusual.

In the past 5 years (before this year) every SEC team that has made 14 wins has gotten in to the tournament. 13 win teams were 50/50. This year all 5 of them getting in is an anomaly but the mere fact there were 5 of them is an anomaly as well. Teams with losing records from the SEC getting in is been pretty common for years. That isn’t going to change unless the tournament is cut back.
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I would argue that this SEC should be punished for their unusual year. If there are only 6 teams that are truly deserving then so be it. I’m not patting teams on the back for finishing 4 games under .500 in their conference. That’s just playing into this new age of everyone gets a participation trophy nonsense.

Chad Holbrook got fired because he was the guy that followed Ray Tanner who happened to win back to back national championships and very nearly an unheard of 3-peat on the way out the door. He left that program with some unrealistic expectations. Holbrook went 81-67 with 2 super regional appearances in his 4 years while Mark Kingston has gone 83-96 in his 6 years. Kingston also has 2 super regional appearances but he also has a 8-22 stinker on his résumé. So why isn’t he getting fired? Oh yeah because they are rewarding the mediocre teams now.
 
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