The Official Tennessee Titans thread IV

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#41,501
05_never_again said:
Kyle Shanahan is more innovative and creative than his dad. Vrabel is not an offensive coach. FedEx carried him.
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Why does Vrabel need to be an offensive coach? And regardless of who you think is better between him and his dad, it’s still a run first system. You’ll always find them near the top in rushing yards per game, every season. But never in passing yards.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Why does Vrabel need to be an offensive coach? And regardless of who you think is better between him and his dad, it’s still a run first system. You’ll always find them near the top in rushing yards per game, every season. But never in passing yards.
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I didn't say Vrabel needed to be an offensive coach. If anything, his problem lately is that he doesn't appear to be an anything coach (it isn't like the defense is great either).

My point is that Carthon will likely eventually want to have "his guy" installed as the HC. Rightly or wrongly. And oftentimes you pick a guy that has obvious differences from the previous HC. The offenses that the Titans have run since FedEx left are not particularly creative or dynamic and are seemingly predicated on the offensive line needing to create the first 5 yards worth of holes for Derrick Henry, otherwise nothing works correctly.

IMO, this franchise's championship window closed with the loss to Cincy in the divisional game a couple of years ago. Which isn't really even Vrabel's fault. Regardless, I think a lot needs to change there. They feel like a directionless team that doesn't really do anything well at this point. 9 out of 10 dating back to last season is awful.
 
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05_never_again said:
I didn't say Vrabel needed to be an offensive coach. If anything, his problem lately is that he doesn't appear to be an anything coach (it isn't like the defense is great either).

My point is that Carthon will likely eventually want to have "his guy" installed as the HC. Rightly or wrongly. And oftentimes you pick a guy that has obvious differences from the previous HC. The offenses that the Titans have run since FedEx left are not particularly creative or dynamic and are seemingly predicated on the offensive line needing to create the first 5 yards worth of holes for Derrick Henry, otherwise nothing works correctly.

IMO, this franchise's championship window closed with the loss to Cincy in the divisional game a couple of years ago. Which isn't really even Vrabel's fault. Regardless, I think a lot needs to change there. They feel like a directionless team that doesn't really do anything well at this point. 9 out of 10 dating back to last season is awful.
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You seem to be ignoring the fact that most believe the previous gm was replaced because of disagreements with Vrabel and that they brought in a guy from a similar offensive system.

You’re convinced new gm means new coach, but this is a much different case. This is a coach who seems to have picked his own gm
 
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Vol8188 said:
You seem to be ignoring the fact that most believe the previous gm was replaced because of disagreements with Vrabel and that they brought in a guy from a similar offensive system.

You’re convinced new gm means new coach, but this is a much different case. This is a coach who seems to have picked his own gm
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I don't know man. That whole situation was weird. J-Rob certainly seemed to be perceived more as the problem, but is also depends on what kind of relationship Carthon builds with ownership now that he's here. If I'm Vrabel and thinking that I picked the new GM, he can't touch me, and he's going to do what I say, I'd slow my roll.
 
#41,505
#41,505
05_never_again said:
I didn't say Vrabel needed to be an offensive coach. If anything, his problem lately is that he doesn't appear to be an anything coach (it isn't like the defense is great either).

My point is that Carthon will likely eventually want to have "his guy" installed as the HC. Rightly or wrongly. And oftentimes you pick a guy that has obvious differences from the previous HC. The offenses that the Titans have run since FedEx left are not particularly creative or dynamic and are seemingly predicated on the offensive line needing to create the first 5 yards worth of holes for Derrick Henry, otherwise nothing works correctly.

IMO, this franchise's championship window closed with the loss to Cincy in the divisional game a couple of years ago. Which isn't really even Vrabel's fault. Regardless, I think a lot needs to change there. They feel like a directionless team that doesn't really do anything well at this point. 9 out of 10 dating back to last season is awful.
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They are dreadfully boring. The team was exciting when it was Henry smashing fools and opening up play-action for Tannehill and AJ Brown. But the pathetic OL makes it impossible for the team to do anything offensively, and a relatively good defense is being wasted because the offense can't stay on the field.

I wish they had blown it up immediately after the Cincy loss. The writing was on the wall. An AFCCG appearance and a No. 1 seed were good outcomes for the team they built, as was a nice window of respectability in the NFL. But it's seemingly over now and the franchise needs an entirely new direction. Sadly, I think we still have to suffer through a year or two of Levis before Carthon realizes he isn't it.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
The Titans had above average Olines before then. Do you watch them regularly?
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In 2021 won the division with Lewan (13 games played) , Saffold, Jones (who y'all couldn't wait to get rid of), Nate Davis, and I can't remember who at RT. So yeah, I would call that a very old, very avg OL.
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
We’re really comparing that line to this one and saying they’re the same?
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No. My point was the past few years Henry ran really well despite having a below avg OL. He is really struggling this year and some posters want to act like it's all on the OL and are in denial that Henry is old by RB standards.
 
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Aesius said:
They are dreadfully boring. The team was exciting when it was Henry smashing fools and opening up play-action for Tannehill and AJ Brown. But the pathetic OL makes it impossible for the team to do anything offensively, and a relatively good defense is being wasted because the offense can't stay on the field.

I wish they had blown it up immediately after the Cincy loss. The writing was on the wall. An AFCCG appearance and a No. 1 seed were good outcomes for the team they built, as was a nice window of respectability in the NFL. But it's seemingly over now and the franchise needs an entirely new direction. Sadly, I think we still have to suffer through a year or two of Levis before Carthon realizes he isn't it.
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The AJ Brown fiasco is exactly what did this team in. We haven’t been the same since.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Vrabel, if ever fired by Tennessee, would have a head coaching job at another team within 48 hours…..
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People keep saying that, and okay, cool. Unless he goes somewhere with a good QB and/or a good offensive mind beside him, he will still be limited.

I'm just telling yall that his circumstances here are not looking great for long term survival. Unless Willis or Levis end up being a hit, the next couple of years are looking pretty grim, and the NFL is an ugly business. He might survive it, but am I optimistic? Not really.
 
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orangepridenation said:
People keep saying that, and okay, cool. Unless he goes somewhere with a good QB and/or a good offensive mind beside him, he will still be limited.

I'm just telling yall that his circumstances here are not looking great for long term survival. Unless Willis or Levis end up being a hit, the next couple of years are looking pretty grim, and the NFL is an ugly business. He might survive it, but am I optimistic? Not really.
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lol. This is far from reality. Vrabel is gonna be here at a minimum of 2-3 years. He’s gonna be the coach for the debut season of the new stadium when that happens. Amy Adams has the easiest job in the league with Vrabel as her coach. She even allowed him to pick his own GM.

Vrabel basically has a lifetime contract here. Even if we tank this year and next get a plethora of high draft picks, he’s gonna be the one to do the rebuild.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Here’s 2022 with a similarly trashy unit as the current Oline 🙄
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Honestly those are horrible numbers. 49 sacks was the 6th worst in the nfl despite us being 3rd from last in passing attempts. So we rarely throw the ball and when we do, it’s likely a sack.

On top of that 4.4 per run with a hall of fame caliber RB is really bad. 4.4 per carry means we were 16th in the league. Obviously Henry isn’t middle of the league in terms of his ability, so that leaves the offensive line as being the problem.

Our offensive line is and has been one of the worst units in the NFL.
 
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Listening to sorts radio in Nashville and they were discussing some numbers that really put into focus exactly how bad this o line is....... Daley was considered a colossal failure last year..... So far Dillard has been even worse. He's on track to blow Daleys sack totals responsible for last year completely out of the water.

At some point, probably when Petit-Frere gets back we will look to bench him. Another horrible signing, I think we have him a 3 year deal.
 
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KB5252 said:
Listening to sorts radio in Nashville and they were discussing some numbers that really put into focus exactly how bad this o line is....... Daley was considered a colossal failure last year..... So far Dillard has been even worse. He's on track to blow Daleys sack totals responsible for last year completely out of the water.

At some point, probably when Petit-Frere gets back we will look to bench him. Another horrible signing, I think we have him a 3 year deal.
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This is the real problem. How many times a game do we see RT take a 3 step drop and get the ball out? It's rare. He stands back there and holds the ball and gets sacked and everyone screams how terrible the OL is when we aren't doing anything to help them, play calling wise. Joe Milton does the same thing.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:


This is the real problem. How many times a game do we see RT take a 3 step drop and get the ball out? It's rare. He stands back there and holds the ball and gets sacked and everyone screams how terrible the OL is when we aren't doing anything to help them, play calling wise. Joe Milton does the same thing.
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There's no separation, we need a quick slot guy but he can't stay healthy. We haven't prioritized speed like the rest of the league. Spears is a start but or issue is a mix of personnel, and philosophy/formation.

We typically play two tight end formations a lot with a receiver typically just on the outside of the tight end. Everyone packed in tight. That makes passing lanes and space more difficult to come by.

That said Dillard has been worse at tackle than Daley last year..... We just replaced arguably the worst starting tackle in the league with an even worse player...... That's hard to do.
 
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orangepridenation said:
Make no mistake, I am not calling for his head. 2019 and 2021 were excellent coaching jobs, but the NFL has very short term memory. Also, his hires, particularly offensively, have been underwhelming at best.

Unless Willis or Levis actually pans out, I will be surprised if Vrabel is still here in 2025.
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Wait, was 2020 not one, especially given how they had a top 5 worst defense in the league pretty much across the board?
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Watch us get a top 3 pick and not take a QB because Levis. Most Titan thing ever.
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(I mean that would mean something like taking some fantastic receiver like Harrison Jr, so that wouldn’t really be that bad, would it?)

No the most Titan thing ever would be for them to take one of the main top 2-3 QBs (Williams, Maye, etc) and he turn out to be the one QB in the draft that ends up an utter bust…while the other 2 currently-rookie QBs (Stroud and Richardson) in the division that the Titans just missed out on drafting turned out to be good-to-great and multiple year starters in a division that also has Trevor Lawrence.
 
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KB5252 said:
Listening to sorts radio in Nashville and they were discussing some numbers that really put into focus exactly how bad this o line is....... Daley was considered a colossal failure last year..... So far Dillard has been even worse. He's on track to blow Daleys sack totals responsible for last year completely out of the water.

At some point, probably when Petit-Frere gets back we will look to bench him. Another horrible signing, I think we have him a 3 year deal.
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I did see whree we could cut Dillard after this season for a relatively low cap hit considering we are projected to have $85m+ in cap space after the season
 
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