The Pessimist Thread

#128
#128
Aesius said:
Just a hunch, but I think at least 4-5 of our current commits won't be part of the class.

Last year we lost Booth, Mouhon, Thomas, Lambert, and Brown.

I expect we will lose at least that many this year, if not more.
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Exactly! And that worked out pretty well. The result was a #5 recruiting class.:thumbsup:
 
#129
#129
I don't like three stars either but....Butch has chosen some very good three stars already to include Cam Sutton, Wolf, Emmanuel Mosley, and Coleman Thomas.

So stars aren't everything!
 
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StlCardinals2618 said:
We have 4 star in position of need, just like Bama. This Bama class is probably the best class ever assembled on paper so it's not a good judge. FSU had 10 ***, 9 ****, and 2 ***** in 2013. Was that a bad class? Ours will look rather similar. I guess FSU should have just taken 21 ****
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The oldest argument on VN is that "there's this one team" or "there's this diamond in the rough/3 star guy" that is over performing so therefore it must be fine. It's been proven time and again rankings correlate with success. This is not debatable. Now, if the three star has an offer list from several SEC schools and runs a 4.4 40 maybe we have something. If you're satisfied with the class as it stands I don't know what to tell you.
 
#133
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Weezer said:
What does it mean that we've accepted the commits of so many lesser rated prospects? Have we struck out with Shy Tuttle? Drew Richmond? Any number of prospects that many on here have been drooling over? When players I haven't heard of start committing to UT(and UT accepts), I get a little alarmed. We're now at 22 commits and not all of our needs are addressed. There's still a long way to go til NSD, but have we painted ourselves into a corner? I'm not a fan of taking a young man's commit with the idea of possibly chasing him off if bigger fish come along. Why tell some of these lesser rated prospects they have a spot when those big fish are still out there? Do the coaches know we aren't going to get these bigger fish? It's worrisome IMO.

And before I set off an uproar with those that will ultimately bash me as being negative, read the thread title. You don't have to respond to every thread on VN and there is an ignore function. I'm just curious if there are others who share my concern.
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bUTch does not go by stars. He goes by the potential that "HE" sees not what Rivals sees.

The stars don't always ring true!!!!!!!!!

We didn't get Ken Dorsey but we got Casey Clausen, so in that case not all was lost.

We didn't get Green-Beckham but we got M. North, so not all was lost.

Should we lose out on some players, then we will get others to replace them.

Believe in bUTch!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Exfix said:
The oldest argument on VN is that "there's this one team" or "there's this diamond in the rough/3 star guy" that is over performing so therefore it must be fine. It's been proven time and again rankings correlate with success. This is not debatable. Now, if the three star has an offer list from several SEC schools and runs a 4.4 40 maybe we have something. If you're satisfied with the class as it stands I don't know what to tell you.
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Every great team is built on great 3 stars. Bama and FSU sign over 10 every year.
 
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Exfix said:
It's been proven time and again rankings correlate with success. This is not debatable.
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Then what are you upset for? We are going to finish in the top ten for sure and have a decent shot at top five. Some will get bumps (Dormady from a 2 star to a 4 star) and we will add great talents like Tuttle, Jefferson, and Richmond.
 
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I wonder what people will think when they go to Rivals in a few months and see that Austin Smith, Dormandy, and Ford all get bumped to a four star, while Mackenzie and possibly Preston Williams pick up their fifth.

I bet the people who complain about how we have to many three stars will feel a lot different when we now have 1 or 2 five stars and 10-11 four stars.

Also we aren't beating out UCF, and Georgia Southern for 3 stars anymore, we are beating Ole Miss, Wisconsin, Lousiville, Mississippi State. Clemson, South Carolina. These 3 stars aren't the Dooley 3 stars. They are going to give great depth and some of them are going to be stars.
 
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Exfix said:
The oldest argument on VN is that "there's this one team" or "there's this diamond in the rough/3 star guy" that is over performing so therefore it must be fine. It's been proven time and again rankings correlate with success. This is not debatable. Now, if the three star has an offer list from several SEC schools and runs a 4.4 40 maybe we have something. If you're satisfied with the class as it stands I don't know what to tell you.
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ok star gazer,I guess you absolutely loved that high rated class Kiffin brought in,which I think 8 players stayed 3 years,or some of Fulmer's last few classes rated in the top 5 that didnt amount to anything compared to their class ranking... or how about TX's recruiting,always near the top of the rankings, which havent amounted to anything since TX beat USC in the Rose Bowl...
 
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#138
AF_VOL said:
Just looking at the ratings, Ky and Arky have better classes right now.
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Sorry, I should have explained this a little better. If you sort the rankings by average player rating, Ky and Arky have better classes right now.

Obviously ratings aren't everything, but it's something to take into account.
 
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Don't forget that last year the staff backed off from some players after their visit because of something that happened during their visit. I wouldn't be surprised if that is happening again this year. One thing I heard was that the commits were policing themselves last year so it may be a trend.
 
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#140
AF_VOL said:
Sorry, I should have explained this a little better. If you sort the rankings by average player rating, Ky and Arky have better classes right now.

Obviously ratings aren't everything, but it's something to take into account.
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I'm guessing that number is skewed due to a long snapper and punter being included.
 
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Vols4us said:
This thread goes to prove that folks that do not follow recruiting should refrain from posting what is in their head at the moment. Lurk. At least until you understand the process. lol.
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This post goes to show that folks who think they are experts and no one else should have an opinion are arrogant. I understand recruiting. I also understand coaching and winning.
 
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Pump Guy said:
I think Butch knows what he is doing

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TNHopeful505 said:
It's a long, long, long way to signing day. And there's 12, possibly 13, possibly 14, possibly 15 games left to play, and each one of them could draw more interest from a current target, or new interest from a new target.

We have no idea. Like someone mentioned, Thomas, Lawrence Lee, Kevin Mouhon, Eric Lauderdale, Lambert, Booth....all part of the class, and then all not part of the class. We didn't think that we'd let any of them go, many of them were 4*'s, but there it was. And we still ended up with a perfectly fine class (though I wish we could have kept Lauderdale. Dude is gonna do well at ASU).

I've been pleased with the gems like Cam Sutton and Emmanuel Moseley thus far. I think we'll find some others pop up once fall practice starts.
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I get that it's a long way to NSD. I mentioned that in my OP, but everyone seems too caught up with the idea that I'm not singing Butch's praises to actually read the entire OP.
 
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Exfix said:
The oldest argument on VN is that "there's this one team" or "there's this diamond in the rough/3 star guy" that is over performing so therefore it must be fine. It's been proven time and again rankings correlate with success. This is not debatable. Now, if the three star has an offer list from several SEC schools and runs a 4.4 40 maybe we have something. If you're satisfied with the class as it stands I don't know what to tell you.
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So a Top 10 class that addresses all of our needs isn't good enough for you? The ignorance here never ceases to amaze me.
 
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Exfix said:
The oldest argument on VN is that "there's this one team" or "there's this diamond in the rough/3 star guy" that is over performing so therefore it must be fine. It's been proven time and again rankings correlate with success. This is not debatable. Now, if the three star has an offer list from several SEC schools and runs a 4.4 40 maybe we have something. If you're satisfied with the class as it stands I don't know what to tell you.
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I'm glad you understood my post. That FSU team I used was ranked 10th in the country. Auburn's 8th ranked class had 2 5-stars, 9 4-stars, and 12 3-stars. Ole Miss had the 7th ranked class and they brought in 15 3-stars. aTm had 15 3-stars and 15 4-stars.

I never said rankings don't correlate with success. All those teams brought in a bunch of 3-stars, and had great classes. A simple check on rivals shows that.
 
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#146
#146
triad280 said:
ok star gazer,I guess you absolutely loved that high rated class Kiffin brought in,which I think 8 players stayed 3 years,or some of Fulmer's last few classes rated in the top 5 that didnt amount to anything compared to their class ranking... or how about TX's recruiting,always near the top of the rankings, which havent amounted to anything since TX beat USC in the Rose Bowl...
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That Kiffin class everybody loved had just as many 3-stars as 4 and 5 stars. People don't understand the difference in taking a 3 star because you have to compared to taking a 3-star because you want to
 
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#147
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Dust10 said:
Wait, so if I don't like your opinion, I shouldn't respond? I guess this is only the pessimists support group thread.
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Apparently our education system has failed you. If you want to respond respectfully with your own opinion, please feel free to do so, but you choose instead to play the part of internet tough guy. Am I supposed to feel intimidated by you? Let me assure you, I can bring the snarkiness as well, if not better, than you can, but I've chosen to try and stay respectful so Freak doesn't feel the need to send me one of those "I been bad" emails.

Despite what you(and apparently several other posters) think, it's okay to have differing opinions that you discuss respectfully. You may think you shoot rainbows out of your ass. I'd disagree, but I'd do it in a respectful manner.
 
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Weezer said:
Apparently our education system has failed you. If you want to respond respectfully with your own opinion, please feel free to do so, but you choose instead to play the part of internet tough guy. Am I supposed to feel intimidated by you? Let me assure you, I can bring the snarkiness as well, if not better, than you can, but I've chosen to try and stay respectful so Freak doesn't feel the need to send me one of those "I been bad" emails.

Despite what you(and apparently several other posters) think, it's okay to have differing opinions that you discuss respectfully. You may think you shoot rainbows out of your ass. I'd disagree, but I'd do it in a respectful manner.
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Hold up a second. Freak sends out "I been bad" emails?
 
#149
#149
Weezer said:
Apparently our education system has failed you. If you want to respond respectfully with your own opinion, please feel free to do so, but you choose instead to play the part of internet tough guy. Am I supposed to feel intimidated by you? Let me assure you, I can bring the snarkiness as well, if not better, than you can, but I've chosen to try and stay respectful so Freak doesn't feel the need to send me one of those "I been bad" emails.

Despite what you(and apparently several other posters) think, it's okay to have differing opinions that you discuss respectfully. You may think you shoot rainbows out of your ass. I'd disagree, but I'd do it in a respectful manner.
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hypocrite
 
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