The Saban era is ovah!

[orangeluvr]

Reeks of Woodsman-ism stupidity don't it?
:dunno:

Disagree,woodsy is just very optimistic . :yes:

 

[99gator]

I don't think Florida is as helpless as you make them out to be, but I see what you're saying. Georgia fans have to be disappointed. They won the east, what? once with Murray at the helm, a SEC record setting QB?

Right now, Florida is wandering....lost in the wilderness.

I'm not sure they have a compass, forget a gps device

But, if they figure out where they are and where they are going, they can get in gear fairly quickly.

Don't necessarily believe that is going to happen right now

 

[TNHopeful505]

I think the angst for every sec east fan is the division is sitting there waiting to be dominated.

Honestly, the future is as bright at Tennessee, or more so, than every other divisional school

This is absolutely true.

IMO, there are only two teams that are capable of winning the SEC from the east historically

Florida and Tennessee.

As long as Alabama and Auburn are "up," I see Florida and Tennessee being the only two programs that have a chance.

Historically, only 5 teams from the east have played in the game:

Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Missouri.

Missouri obviously was this past year.
South Carolina has played in it one time and lost.

Georgia has never played and won if their opponent is Auburn or Alabama.

Tennessee and Florida are the only schools that have beat Bama and Auburn in the big game.

I feel like historically, those are the big 4 schools. Add LSU in there.

UT, UF, AU, UA, LSU are the powerhouse staples of the SEC. Someone might occasionally jump up and make noise, but....only two years since 1992 has someone besides those 5 won, and it was UGA beating Arkansas and LSU.

So, IMO....if any of those 5 are up, then nobody stands a chance.

It's just shifting again. There were a few years where it was UF/UT in the East, and then the West was wide open.

Then it was LSU/UA in the West, and the East was wide open (Well, UF/UT/UGA)...

Then the East was UGA/UF in the Tebow years, and the West was UA/AU/LSU in the West

Then recently, it's been wide open in the East, and UA/AU in the West.

Now, things are balancing out again.

I can see very shortly how it will once again be as follows:

UT/UF in the East (Muschamp and Richt are gone soon, UF won't mess it up again), and LSU/Bama/Auburn in the West.

 

[UTodd01]

How long will spurrier be at Carolina?

If Richt were going to grab the division by the throat, he'd have done it be now.

Florida is up a creek without a paddle.

Ky and vandy, it just can't be done at those schools.

Not sure it can be done at mizzou either.

That leaves Tennessee

Then you understand where I'm coming from.

It's entirely plausible for Saban to lose to Auburn and Tennessee on a somewhat yearly basis beginning next year.

Like I said - God himself can't survive that.

As far as the current state of the rivalry. It's one of those games that current record and state of the program mean nothing. When orange and crimson line up - it's for blood.

 

[FancyBoyVol]

Prayers for Saban...and Eric Berry.

 

[BeattieFeathers]

You said he'd never lost his starting QB to a season ending injury. Just pointing out that he actually had and it was against us and he adjusted and won.

While at Bama? Nope....he has had all the luck in the world. Do you know how many qb's we've lost?

 

[volstuff37641]

Okay, granted, Kiffin is the worst Head Coach possibly ever. And yes, he ruined the Raiders, he ruined us, and he made USC suck as well. Terrible head coach.

But I will give the guy credit where he deserves it, and that is, he's a great OC. If he can just learn his role, and get some humility working under Saban, then Bama didn't screw up at all in hiring him. If he can keep his nose clean, he's a great recruiter, but he is truly a great OC, and I'll give that to him.

Bama may honestly have the best HC/OC/DC trio in the country.

Goodness, that tasted like vinegar coming out of my mouth.

Guess you have forgot that Kiffen was the one that was calling the plays at Raiders,Ten.,and at SC. and you have the gall to call him a great OC.LMFAO

 

[99gator]

This is absolutely true.

IMO, there are only two teams that are capable of winning the SEC from the east historically

Florida and Tennessee.

As long as Alabama and Auburn are "up," I see Florida and Tennessee being the only two programs that have a chance.

Historically, only 5 teams from the east have played in the game:

Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Missouri.

Missouri obviously was this past year.
South Carolina has played in it one time and lost.

Georgia has never played and won if their opponent is Auburn or Alabama.

Tennessee and Florida are the only schools that have beat Bama and Auburn in the big game.

I feel like historically, those are the big 4 schools. Add LSU in there.

UT, UF, AU, UA, LSU are the powerhouse staples of the SEC. Someone might occasionally jump up and make noise, but....only two years since 1992 has someone besides those 5 won, and it was UGA beating Arkansas and LSU.

So, IMO....if any of those 5 are up, then nobody stands a chance.

It's just shifting again. There were a few years where it was UF/UT in the East, and then the West was wide open.

Then it was LSU/UA in the West, and the East was wide open (Well, UF/UT/UGA)...

Then the East was UGA/UF in the Tebow years, and the West was UA/AU/LSU in the West

Then recently, it's been wide open in the East, and UA/AU in the West.

Now, things are balancing out again.

I can see very shortly how it will once again be as follows:

UT/UF in the East (Muschamp and Richt are gone soon, UF won't mess it up again), and LSU/Bama/Auburn in the West.

No reason for Georgia to not be able to accomplish the same things.

I think Texas a&m is capable too

 

[Dudleys87]

Saban's defense had become antiquated in modern college football. He gave up 30 points three times last year against a middle of the pack schedule.
Gus Malzahn showed the world how to match up against saban's bigger, slower defense. The linebacker and running back positions are becoming less and less important. who cares if saban has ten rbs stacked like cord wood. Having an elusive qb able to get the ball in space to the Josh Malones and Marquez norths of the world is where it's at. You better have the ability to play with five and six dbs. Saban didn't even have two good corners last season and it showed. It limited his ability to substitute, in spite of Bama's lofty recruiting ratings.
Bear was slow to recognize the wishbone had gone the way of the do to bird. Saban's stubbornness, lack of foresight, and lapse in judgment in hiring the biggest clown show in college football will be his demise.

I understand that most, including me, want to see saban go away. Lets face reality though he isn't going anywhere for a while.

With the haul that they just had in recruiting on D they will be nasty again on D.

 

[TNHopeful505]

How long will spurrier be at Carolina?

If Richt were going to grab the division by the throat, he'd have done it be now.

Florida is up a creek without a paddle.

Ky and vandy, it just can't be done at those schools.

Not sure it can be done at mizzou either.

That leaves Tennessee

Exactly. You take away Spurrier, South Carolina is mediocre. I doubt they'll find another coach like him.

Richt is the dictionary definition of mediocre and underachieve. He's had his heyday, and it's gone. If he couldn't win a NC with Aaron Murray for 4 years, and the backs he's had, he won't ever do it.

Florida won't be worth a flip nationally again until they get rid of Muschamp. He's just not a good head coach. They'll recruit well. They'll win games. But they're not anyone's pick or mention for the playoffs.

You're right about KY/Vandy/and Mizzou. All three have their focus in too many other places (Basketball for UK and Mizzou or Academics for Vandy). They will not put what is needed into football to make it a championship contender. Their ONLY hope is to find a diamond in the rough coach who wins and recruits like crazy, and that he's such an upstanding person, he wouldn't desire to go to another school that can offer him way better.

Those 3 programs are built to be in the middle of the pack.

Tennessee is the only program that is on the upswing right now. Everyone else is at the top, or slowly coming down, or just remaining stable.


In the West:

LSU is just remaining stable, they're not getting any better necessarily.

Auburn is on the upswing to be perennial rivals with Bama.

Bama is obviously on top, and not going down any time soon. If they do, it would be to the tune of 10-2, or 9-3, neither of which is bad.

A&M is making noise, but I'll have better ideas about them now that Manziel is gone, just how good a coach Sumlin is.

Arky is going down down down, and probably misses Petrino by now.

Miss State is having a spark right now, but they won't be able to ever compete with the big dogs.

Same with Ole Miss. IMO, it's only a matter of time before they get in some serious trouble, and they won't have any championships to show for it either.


The West doesn't have any teams like UK or Vandy though. Every team in the West could occasionally have a great year and cause problems.

The East, we just have some schools that invest in it, and some that don't. And it shows, and it's an accurate predictor on how things will rise and fall over the years.

 

[BeattieFeathers]

No reason for Georgia to not be able to accomplish the same things.

I think Texas a&m is capable too

I agree....I think the poster was a little bit hard on Georgia. Wouldn't shock me if they won the sec and got in the championship hunt this year. They are a historical peer.

 

[DERELICK_MY_VOLS]

Saban is the best in the biz, don't kid yourself.

Arrogance is bliss....he hired a known cancer for OC....Al Davis is turning over in his grave wondering why no one listens to his advice...even from the grave about that bum :no:

 

[TNVolunteerGrad]

No reason for Georgia to not be able to accomplish the same things.

I think Texas a&m is capable too

Georgia has zero excuses. They have all the resources in place, or should.

A&M will be interesting this year. Looking forward to seeing them without Manziel and some of the other very high draft picks. How big of a step back do they take?

 

[Dudleys87]

Right now, Florida is wandering....lost in the wilderness.

I'm not sure they have a compass, forget a gps device

But, if they figure out where they are and where they are going, they can get in gear fairly quickly.

Don't necessarily believe that is going to happen right now

What percentage of the fans have given up complete hope for Muschamp?

 

[orangeluvr]

Balance is the reason the SEC the premier conference in CFB. Half of the members are capable of winning a minimum of seven games.

 

[TNHopeful505]

No reason for Georgia to not be able to accomplish the same things.

I think Texas a&m is capable too

Georgia has potential to, sure. Obviously a great recruiting area, no real rivals in state to deal with (GT, but not really).

But they'd have to swing for the fences and get a great hire when Richt is done. Just like UT's culture became losing under Dooley, UGA's culture has become underachieving under Richt. It'll take time to fix that.

A&M, now that they've invested in new facilities, and it looks like they've really committed to winning, yeah, I could see A&M being a major player in the SEC, definitely. I'm just going to hold out judgment on them before I do though. They've had 2 good years mostly based around the success of one player. I'll wait another 2 years before I see where they are really at.

 

[TNVolunteerGrad]

Arrogance is bliss....he hired a known cancer for OC....Al Davis is turning over in his grave wondering why no one listens to his advice...even from the grave about that bum :no:

I want nothing more than for Kiffin to bring the Saban/Bama machine down. I don't see it happening, not quickly at least. I feel like if Saban suspects Kiffin isn't getting the job done, he'll fire him quickly.

 

[Giveem6]

The only hope I have for the doom of the saban era is none other than lane "the doomsday train" kiffin in that he runs their program into the ground as he has every other place he's been.

 

[Dudleys87]

Georgia has zero excuses. They have all the resources in place, or should.

A&M will be interesting this year. Looking forward to seeing them without Manziel and some of the other very high draft picks. How big of a step back do they take?

You have to admit something always happens in Athens. Whether it be just flat out underachieving or the injury bug bites them hard.


They have had all the talent to be great teams just never seems to click on all cylinders..

 

[BeattieFeathers]

Arrogance is bliss....he hired a known cancer for OC....Al Davis is turning over in his grave wondering why no one listens to his advice...even from the grave about that bum :no:

Everybody thinks saban is infallible. He's not.....he has has the good fortune of coaching against Tennessee when we are a bum program. In addition, auburn has been up and down, but when they've been up, he has lost!!!!!
He showed a severe lapse in judgment in hiring Kiffen.

 

[TNVolunteerGrad]

You have to admit something always happens in Athens. Whether it be just flat out underachieving or the injury bug bites them hard.


They have had all the talent to be great teams just never seems to click on all cylinders..

Or ya know, dismissing a ton of players certainly doesn't help. If UGA was able to put it all together, they could really been a consistent contender. But like you said, something is always amiss with them.

 

[TNHopeful505]

Everybody thinks saban is infallible. He's not.....he has has the good fortune of coaching against Tennessee when we are a bum program. In addition, auburn has been up and down, but when they've been up, he has lost!!!!!
He showed a severe lapse in judgment in hiring Kiffen.

I'll make you a bet.

If Bama makes the playoffs, then you don't post here anymore.

And if Bama doesn't make the playoffs, then you don't post here anymore.

Sounds fair to me.

 

[BeattieFeathers]

You have to admit something always happens in Athens. Whether it be just flat out underachieving or the injury bug bites them hard.


They have had all the talent to be great teams just never seems to click on all cylinders..

Richt has had bad luck too. In 2002, he missed out on the mnc game because Miami and osu were unbeaten. He did not have saban's rabbit foot which allowed saban to go to the mnc game by default, once after not even being good enough to play for the sec title!!!!!!!! Also, Uga narrowly missed on hoping to the title game in 2007.

 

[99gator]

What percentage of the fans have given up complete hope for Muschamp?

About 20%.

About 55% have not lost all hope but have serious doubts.

25% believe last year was a total fluke and 2012 was more the norm.

I think 2012 and 2013 were both flukes

 

[TNVolunteerGrad]

Everybody thinks saban is infallible. He's not.....he has has the good fortune of coaching against Tennessee when we are a bum program. In addition, auburn has been up and down, but when they've been up, he has lost!!!!!
He showed a severe lapse in judgment in hiring Kiffen.

Funny thing is, if Kiffin goes on to be a great OC, Saban will look like a wizard. Right now it looks bad, but time will tell if it actually is.