The Thread Where People Argue About Kneeling in the NFL (merged)

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n_huffhines said:
The article says MNF was only down 3% in metered market results from this week last year. It didn't help that two huge sports markets were watching Astros/Yankees.
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The NFL AS A WHOLE is down between 17.9% and 20% this year.

I assume -since you claim familiarity with statistics-you know that's a average.
 
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The problem with the NFL is this doesn't help, its been going down for quite a few years - no way ESPN can renew that $1.9B MNF for even half of that next time. I would expect the cord cutting to continue and this isn't going to help.

I have never claimed it would be a huge drop, measurable drop but the long-term trend will continue. imo
 
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LSU-SIU said:
The problem with the NFL is this doesn't help, its been going down for quite a few years - no way ESPN can renew that $1.9B MNF for even half of that next time. I would expect the cord cutting to continue and this isn't going to help.

I have never claimed it would be a huge drop, measurable drop but the long-term trend will continue. imo
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That has more to do with ESPN and streaming than it does the NFL.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Are you saying ratings are down 20%? Or attendance?
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..."Sales declined by 17.9 percent this week on TickPick, an online ticketing service, compared to last week, CBS News reports. Meanwhile, the site TicketCity has reported a 31 percent drop in sales."...

[url=http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/nfl-tv-television-ratings-down-numbers-national-anthem-protests/l2x7dhlkuubk1tbeftag9ttis]NFL TV audience numbers continue to decline early in 2017 season | NFL | Sporting News

..."The NFL's average TV audience (including Sunday afternoon, Sunday night, Monday night and Thursday night games) slid to 15.156 million viewers through Week 5 of the 2017 season. That’s down 7.42 percent from an average of 16.371 million viewers through the same period of the 2016 season, and 18 percent down from the average of 18.438 million viewers through the first five weeks of the 2015 season."...
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
The NFL AS A WHOLE is down between 17.9% and 20% this year.

I assume -since you claim familiarity with statistics-you know that's a average.
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..."Sales declined by 17.9 percent this week on TickPick, an online ticketing service, compared to last week, CBS News reports. Meanwhile, the site TicketCity has reported a 31 percent drop in sales."...

[url=http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/nfl-tv-television-ratings-down-numbers-national-anthem-protests/l2x7dhlkuubk1tbeftag9ttis]NFL TV audience numbers continue to decline early in 2017 season | NFL | Sporting News

..."The NFL's average TV audience (including Sunday afternoon, Sunday night, Monday night and Thursday night games) slid to 15.156 million viewers through Week 5 of the 2017 season. That’s down 7.42 percent from an average of 16.371 million viewers through the same period of the 2016 season, and 18 percent down from the average of 18.438 million viewers through the first five weeks of the 2015 season."...
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So the 17.9% came from TickPick and the 20% came from nowhere?
 
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Orangedogsrule said:


..."Sales declined by 17.9 percent this week on TickPick, an online ticketing service, compared to last week, CBS News reports. Meanwhile, the site TicketCity has reported a 31 percent drop in sales."...

[url=http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/nfl-tv-television-ratings-down-numbers-national-anthem-protests/l2x7dhlkuubk1tbeftag9ttis]NFL TV audience numbers continue to decline early in 2017 season | NFL | Sporting News
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I've never even heard of those ticket services. Are their numbers even statistically significant?

..."The NFL's average TV audience (including Sunday afternoon, Sunday night, Monday night and Thursday night games) slid to 15.156 million viewers through Week 5 of the 2017 season. That’s down 7.42 percent from an average of 16.371 million viewers through the same period of the 2016 season, and 18 percent down from the average of 18.438 million viewers through the first five weeks of the 2015 season."...
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I buy this, though there is little use in comparing it to 2015 numbers. Streaming and other factors would explain the difference between 2015 and 2016 and still explain some of the difference between 2016 and 2017.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I've never even heard of those ticket services. Are their numbers even statistically significant?



I buy this, though there is little use in comparing it to 2015 numbers. Streaming and other factors would explain the difference between 2015 and 2016 and still explain some of the difference between 2016 and 2017.
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Social media and streaming will now count towards Nielsen TV ratings
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Soon, you'll be able to pay with Venmo at 2 million online stores

Nielsen adds digital TV ratings to account for cord cutters
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Nielsen adds digital TV ratings to account for cord cutters - Business Insider
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UGADawg4Life said:
You're right, Americans have the right to act like idiots. And CK has the right to have a girlfriend who is a Muslim (from Saudi Arabia, you know, the place where the 9/11 pilots came from), an activist, and an America-hater. She is also CK's adviser. All this "protest" is is a way to slap the US in the face, and to tear our flag apart thread-by-thread. And it's idiots like you who assist both CK, his girlfriend, and the rest of the Muslim world with your apathy.
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I'm trapped in a waking nightmare where I'm forced to listen to the incessant ramblings of dawg fans. Now they've even infiltrated Volnation. Nothing is sacred.
 
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n_huffhines said:
That has more to do with ESPN and streaming than it does the NFL.
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Actually not really - the audiences are not showing up this year that will effect more next year when season tickets are for sale. The people that are effected immediately are the broadcasters as they paid way too much years ago for contracts that don't expire for some time example ESPN. The teams are only slightly effected right now - but once these contracts start expiring they will lose many many billions.

How Much Do the NFL and TV Partners Make a Year? - Outkick the Coverage

Lets just put this in perspective, ESPN pays roughly $1.9b to the NFL for MNF and one playoff game, in 2016 they made less then $300m in REVENUE. They are all getting hit down the line - the NFL just isn't a draw to sell ESPN's channels at a very very expensive rate and they are actually a key component of people wanting to cable cut.

The trend has been down for some time - popularity of the NFL has been in decline, and ESPN as well - nobody really needs it.

The league meaning teams probably won't be hit hard until next year, but merchandize sales could be this year - next year I would look for a sharp reduction of season ticket holders.

The NFLs real problems don't start until after 2021 or if Congress withdraws the anti-trust exemption.

CBS earnings to disappoint due to weak NFL ratings, Credit Suisse says

Basically they are in a slow grind downward that started quite a few years ago - this won't help. The 3-10% drops of viewership don't sound like a lot until you analysis they are years into these drops - they are making a negative return on investment.

My guess, if this continue, the NFL will be lucky to get $700m for MNF, and that might be wishful thinking at this point as ESPN can only generate around $300m on that investment - its a huge loser. If nobody showed up for the games this year, the NFL teams don't lose a ton - merc sales, food/beer, etc. but the tickets have mostly been sold - next year season tickets will probably take a hit, the real damage is nobody is going to pay as much for the TV rights in 3-5 years - that is really where they NFL teams are making the money.

Until then the broadcasters are paying for their mistakes and the NFL's mistakes - many billions are going to be lost. The gamble that people have to have live sports is somewhat a loser strategy at this point, you certainly don't spend $2b on MNF.
 
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You guys crack me up about the NFL struggling...The NFL is worth almost $50 Billion dollars. Some of the values of teams have risen upwards of 75% in the last 10 years. The NFL isn't going anywhere.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
You guys crack me up about the NFL struggling...The NFL is worth almost $50 Billion dollars. Some of the values of teams have risen upwards of 75% in the last 10 years. The NFL isn't going anywhere.
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Well, nobody is saying they can't live off savings for a bit -- as far as the NFL it peaked out a few years ago.

The NFL really isn't struggling right now - its the broadcasters, and **** eventually rolls down hill. Not sure why you are saying stuff people aren't saying at all. Even, if what is happening continues next year, and season ticket holders basically don't buy them up - the broadcasters are the ones on the hook right now, as that is the bulk of the funds.

Of course, what changes all this is if the anti-trust exemption is removed, basically most of the teams probably are worth very little unless they own or have an asset like Jerry Jones, but he would probably take a massive hit. The teams really wouldn't be worth much.

The NFL has revenue coming in - broadcasters will have to massively dump the NFL contracts when they are up or pay a fraction. In the case of MNF, they'll be very lucky to get even close to half. Billions are being lost by the broadcasters - eventually the NFL will lose billions, just not immediately. Some of this was already occurring, but all this nonsense picked up the pace a little - cable is dead technology, generally, kind of like IBM. People will probably continue to boycott, many will never come back, cable cutting isn't going away either = not good for the long-term trend.

Probably the only way the NFL goes down immediately is, if the anti-trust exemption is removed - I would probably look to sell as soon as I heard that going around Congress. Or ESPN/other broadcasters have to file for BK in a few years - these NFL contracts are negative returns by quite a margin.

Let me show you how messed up the numbers are - ESPN is clearly way over paying for MNF. The contract was for $15.2b over 8 years at $1.9b a year.

Now ESPN generates less than $300m a year from revenue on that contract and if cable cutting continues that number could go down drastically, but we will use $300m, the number could end up being much lower.

$300m X 8 = $2.4b

$15.2b - $2.4b = $13.8b free money to the NFL for their crappy product

So, what the NFL has done is pissed off a good portion of their older viewing audience and they get nothing in return on this stunt - the younger kids give a rat's ass about the NFL.

The younger players better be saving up because in 2021 they are going to get a super huge cut - they NFL will still have cash to live on while the players sit back and think about the stupidity of the older players back in 2017 while at home when they are locked out.
 
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Love this stuff. I agree with the guy, Jerry Jones is nothing but a slave owner.

Jerry Jones Confronted by Protesters While Entering the NFL Owners Meeting | NTK Network

“You want to treat them like $40 million slaves,” the protester told Jones. “Gladiators who are well paid to beat each other’s brains out, but have to keep their mouths shut when talking about injustice.”
“Look at the videos of the police getting away with murder and tell me the players are wrong to protest it and that they have no rights to do that,” he continued.
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:eek:lol::popcorn:
 
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While corn dog over here rambling on and on and on about a topic he claims not to care about in this wierd corner of another team's message board is annoying, what's truly offensive is the continued misuse of effect/affect.

I swear dude I've seen it like a dozen times itt and I only read a fraction of the posts.
 
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BartW said:
While corn dog over here rambling on and on and on about a topic he claims not to care about in this wierd corner of another team's message board is annoying, what's truly offensive is the continued misuse of effect/affect.

I swear dude I've seen it like a dozen times itt and I only read a fraction of the posts.
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Its very clear you don't read well as I have said why I care (welfare to millionaire/billionaire racist wussies) -- your mom loves my corn dog. :) Have a good evening.

Don't hate man because I am boycotting Jerry Jones the racist slave owner - Spike Lee told me this is just the way it is.

This must be photoshopped - I was told this was at half time - that 5:23 in the 1st quarter can't be right.:eek:lol: Everyone is sitting in the toilet and up at the top of the stadium - just can't see them. :eek:lol: They took a magic potion to make all the fans invisible.

Twitter

Btw NBA that manhugging is probably not going to fly.
Search Twitter - #boycottnba

If you can't appreciate the gift that keeps giving, I don't know what to tell you - this is the best the NFL has been for a few decades. When ESPN goes BK, maybe Comedy Central can pick up MNF?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Its very clear you don't read well as I have said why I care (welfare to millionaire/billionaire racist wussies) -- your mom loves my corn dog. :) Have a good evening.

Don't hate man because I am boycotting Jerry Jones the racist slave owner - Spike Lee told me this is just the way it is.

This must be photoshopped - I was told this was at half time - that 5:23 in the 1st quarter can't be right.:eek:lol:

Twitter

Btw NBA that manhugging is probably not going to fly.
Search Twitter - #boycottnba
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Nice edit?

I've seen you try to explain why you care while also saying you don't care. Meh.

Honestly I wasn't hating; I was just trying to save you from future embarrassment, and us from future cringing.

And yo mama jokes kinda backfire when it involves you corn doggin some old azz mom lol.

Keep on keepin on :hi:
 
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BartW said:
Nice edit?

I've seen you try to explain why you care while also saying you don't care. Meh.

Honestly I wasn't hating; I was just trying to save you from future embarrassment, and us from future cringing.

And yo mama jokes kinda backfire when it involves you corn doggin some old azz mom lol.

Keep on keepin on :hi:
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You mad bro that's why you posted, no other reason was given. I already said multiple times in the thread why I care -its not a secret.

Keep on being Jerry's lil boy. Btw, my mom is a big fat ass whore, you got a problem with that?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
You mad bro that's why you posted, no other reason was given. I already said multiple times in the thread why I care -its not a secret.

Keep on being Jerry's lil boy. Btw, my mom is a big fat ass whore, you got a problem with that?
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Dilly dilly?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
You mad bro that's why you posted, no other reason was given. I already said multiple times in the thread why I care -its not a secret.

Keep on being Jerry's lil boy. Btw, my mom is a big fat ass whore, you got a problem with that?
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How fat is she?
 
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