The Thread Where People Argue About Kneeling in the NFL (merged)

[NashVol11]

Using an idiot who would’ve been put in prison camp for 1-2 weeks for stealing Louis Vuitton sunglasses doesn’t really help your argument.

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[RDU VOL#14]

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In China?

 

[NashVol11]

In China?

In China. Shockingly, Trump exaggerated his own "accomplishment."

Three UCLA players could remain in China 'a week or two,' source says - ABC News

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Using an idiot who would’ve been put in prison camp for 4-10 years for stealing Louis Vuitton sunglasses doesn’t really help your argument.

It actually drives it home even further. Why would anyone want an insincere thank you from an ungrateful person?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

If you are referring to the soldiers, there are several problems with that. One, the flag or anthem doesn't just belong to the military. Secondly, the military is there to uphold the Constitution. Someone not standing for the flag or anthem is a person's God given right. Lastly, since the Vietnam era, the powers that be have cleverly convinced the sheep in this country that patriotism means supporting the military and all of the military's actions. That is an erroneous and dangerous connection to make. They also make the non-patriotic a demon that hates and disrespects the soldier, a demagogic tactic. Instead of having disdain for the soldier, far too often, the non-patriotic have a disdain for those that lead the soldiers into these ridiculous missions all over the globe.

Few, if any, player kneeling has any disdain or ill will for US soldiers.

Well OK then. I guess I will have to go out and buy more NFL jerseys then since they are all such great guys.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

It actually drives it home even further. Why would anyone want an insincere thank you from an ungrateful person?

Absolutely. much more political hay to be made exposing what a tool he is.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Well OK then. I guess I will have to go out and buy more NFL jerseys then since they are all such great guys.

Sir, you can do whatever the hell you want to do. I'm not here to campaign for the players/kneelers or the league and those that are disgusted with the kneelers. I think both sides of this debate are acting ridiculous and we should be more concerned about other issues that have far more of a greater affect on our lives than a piece of cloth or whether some celebrity or athlete stands during or sings a song.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Absolutely. much more political hay to be made exposing what a tool he is.

The Balls and Trump look ridiculous coming out of this. Trump shouldn't have done anything if he was expecting to get kudos or that-a-boys. Either you do the right thing with sincerity (there's that word again) without conditions or you don't do it at all.

 

[tumscalcium]

Sir, you can do whatever the hell you want to do. I'm not here to campaign for the players/kneelers or the league and those that are disgusted with the kneelers. I think both sides of this debate are acting ridiculous and we should be more concerned about other issues that have far more of a greater affect on our lives than a piece of cloth or whether some celebrity or athlete stands during or sings a song.

It’s not “Just” a piece of cloth or “Just” a song. It’s clear you don’t understand and never will. Try a topic you know something about.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It’s not “Just” a piece of cloth or “Just” a song. It’s clear you don’t understand and never will. Try a topic you know something about.

Got a question, where is this level of reverence and outrage when The Constitution is violated and disgraced, yet when a song or a flag is thought to be disrespected, we get a sanctimonious swarm of people that come out of the woodwork.

I guess I will never understand this hypocrisy.

 

[midnight orange]

Got a question, where is this level of reverence and outrage when The Constitution is violated and disgraced, yet when a song or a flag is thought to be disrespected, we get a sanctimonious swarm of people that come out of the woodwork.

I guess I will never understand this hypocrisy.

It’s state worship, pure and simple. I think our founding fathers would be disappointed. I’ll stand for the National Anthem out of respect for the freedoms we have left, but the Pledge of Allegiance is a bridge too far for me. I find it creepy and contrary to this country’s founding.

The Ninth Circuit was right about ‘under God’ in the Pledge of Allegia – John T. Reed

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It’s state worship, pure and simple. I think our founding fathers would be disappointed. I’ll stand for the National Anthem out of respect for the freedoms we have left, but the Pledge of Allegence is a bridge too far for me. I find it creepy and contrary to this country’s founding.

The national anthem and pledge of allegiance are fairly recent novelties. Up until 1931, this country didn't even have a national anthem. And the socialist origins of the pledge of allegiance, near the turn of the 20th century, have been documented here before.

 

[LSU-SIU]

The national anthem and pledge of allegiance are fairly recent novelties. Up until 1931, this country didn't even have a national anthem. And the socialist origins of the pledge of allegiance, near the turn of the 20th century, have been documented here before.

The Star-Spangled Banner - Wikipedia

Actually there were multiple anthems that were used, just not codified into statute law until 1931. The current anthem I believe has its roots in the early 1800s. What you are saying is the equivalent of saying the U.S. didn't a flag prior to the 50th State joining the union because the flag back then didn't have 50 stars.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Got a question, where is this level of reverence and outrage when The Constitution is violated and disgraced, yet when a song or a flag is thought to be disrespected, we get a sanctimonious swarm of people that come out of the woodwork.

I guess I will never understand this hypocrisy.

That's not hypocrisy in and onto itself. I mean bad things happen - most of us are human.

The disgrace of a song/flag is just a clear indication of who stands with whom, or doesn't. People are not forcing anyone to do anything and nobody has to watch it or provide tax dollars or special consideration for it either. Seems simple.

The hypocrisy would be some idiot athlete that thinks he matters protesting a flag for social injustice while at the same time wearing clothing to promote brutal dictators or that might be just irony.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

That's not hypocrisy in and onto itself. I mean bad things happen - most of us are human.

The disgrace of a song/flag is just a clear indication of who stands with whom, or doesn't. People are not forcing anyone to do anything and nobody has to watch it or provide tax dollars or special consideration for it either. Seems simple.

The hypocrisy would be some idiot athlete that thinks he matters protesting a flag for social injustice while at the same time wearing clothing to promote brutal dictators or that might be just irony.

I have no issue with having legitimate criticisms of the kneelers. My issue is with all of these sanctimonious people that have more reverence for a flag or song than the actual founding documents and foundation of our country. Fascists embrace "patriotism" and sloganeering.
Collectivists want us all lining up and conforming like a bunch of sheep. We should be celebrating some of these people that go against the collective and the mob.

 

[NashVol11]

I have no issue with having legitimate criticisms of the kneelers. My issue is with all of this sanctimonious pepole that have more reverence for a flag or song than the actual founding documents and foundation of our country. Fascists embrace "patriotism" and sloganeering.
Collectivists want us all lining up and conforming like a bunch of sheep. We should be celebrating some of these people that go against the collective and the mob.

Unfortunately, too many people don't, until the collective reverses course and embraces them like 10 years later. History really does repeat itself.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I have no issue with having legitimate criticisms of the kneelers. My issue is with all of this sanctimonious pepole that have more reverence for a flag or song than the actual founding documents and foundation of our country. Fascists embrace "patriotism" and sloganeering.
Collectivists want us all lining up and conforming like a bunch of sheep. We should be celebrating some of these people that go against the collective and the mob.

Oh, I agree I don't necessarily conform because someone tells me too. However, I don't necessarily celebrate people that think they are better than everyone else or that somehow they are more important. I would have more (or more like some) sympathy for them, if I really felt like they had a cause. They don't care, why should anyone care for them?

What is going on is really much simpler than that. I assure all these people would get right in line with the rest of the sheep, if they were fined... just like Chris Jackson did. Freaking coward. No, I do not feel sorry for them - they only stand for what is really wrong with the world to start with. At the end of day, its pretty simple - nobody is putting them in jail, and nobody has to go see them and maybe one day the tax dollars stop supporting their stupid asses.

If one has a reason, cool, I get that - these guys have no cause and they don't matter, there is nothing special about them - they truly believe they are though.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Oh, I agree I don't necessarily conform because someone tells me too. However, I don't necessarily celebrate people that think they are better than everyone else or that somehow they are more important. I would have more (or more like some) sympathy for them, if I really felt like they had a cause. They don't care, why should anyone care for them?

What is going on is really much simpler than that. I assure all these people would get right in line with the rest of the sheep, if they were fined... just like Chris Jackson did. Freaking coward. No, I do not feel sorry for them - they only stand for what is really wrong with the world to start with. At the end of day, its pretty simple - nobody is putting them in jail, and nobody has to go see them and maybe one day the tax dollars stop supporting their stupid asses.

If one has a reason, cool, I get that - these guys have no cause and they don't matter, there is nothing special about them - they truly believe they are though.

Not sure where you got that from, but whatever. If you want to call their "cause" misguided, I would think that is a fair criticism. If you want to call it unproductive, again, you get no arguments from me. But if you feel that they have a feeling that they are more important than anyone (not necessarily what I believe, but we will go with that since you brought it up), I would think that the millions of dollars and years of coddling in youth sports and college had far more to do with that before this kneeling thing ever became an issue.

I just don't understand why some people care so much for this particular issue when there are far more important issues out there that actually affect our everyday lives... Seems like people get a kick out of beating up millionaire athletes for being on the wrong side of an argument, yet have nowhere near the same level of outrage when millionaire politicians or their billionaire cronies urinate on our freedoms, destroy our families, rob of of our labor and wealth, and bury and youth and treasure in wars halfway around the globe.

What some athlete does or doesn't do on Sunday has absolutely no bearing on my life, and probably no bearing on your life, either. The same can't be said about those people that run our country.

 

[NashVol11]

Athletes are easy targets because they're rich, and people have the misguided opinion that they somehow didn't earn their money.

 

[LSU-SIU]

But if you feel that they have a feeling that they are more important than anyone (not necessarily what I believe, but we will go with that since you brought it up), I would think that the millions of dollars and years of coddling in youth sports and college had far more to do with that before this kneeling thing ever became an issue.

No, they don't have millions of dollars... they get tax dollars, tax incentives, etc. from the public... basically without America and their special treatment the NFL would not exist. So, whoopie do the NFL and the players throw a few pennies back.

Just a bunch of dumb stupid athletes that think they are special - they're not.

I just don't understand why some people care so much for this particular issue when there are far more important issues out there that actually affect our everyday lives... Seems like people get a kick out of beating up millionaire athletes for being on the wrong side of an argument, yet have nowhere near the same level of outrage when millionaire politicians or their billionaire cronies urinate on our freedoms, destroy our families, rob of of our labor and wealth, and bury and youth and treasure in wars halfway around the globe.

What some athlete does or doesn't do on Sunday has absolutely no bearing on my life, and probably no bearing on your life, either. The same can't be said about those people that run our country.

I don't know why stupid players have wasted, time and resource hating their country instead of focusing an real issues. I mean your comments are actually easily directed at the stupid players.

As far as me, I generally stopped watching pro sports a few years ago - certainly don't want tax dollars and special treatment to be going to these idiots. They are free to kneel and the public is free not to pay for it, watch or support it with tax dollars. I fail to see the issue to be honest. They don't like their country, cool, no problem with that. You are offended because others are offended and you don't understand why they are offended.

The NFL had nothing to gain out of this and everything to lose - I have been saying that from the beginning. The real pain for the NFL really won't start until the TV/player negotiations in 2019-2020.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Athletes are easy targets because they're rich, and people have the misguided opinion that they somehow didn't earn their money.

1. They're idiots.
2. A person that grand stands is usually frown upon especially grown men in little boys uniforms.
3. The millions the players get and the billions the owners get are generally from Americans generosity and American taxpayers.
4. Biting the hand that feeds comes to mind.

The owners have miscalculated that this would blow over and not cause damage. The players are just idiots.

 

[NashVol11]

3. The millions the players get and the billions the owners get are generally from Americans generosity and American taxpayers.
4. Biting the hand that feeds comes to mind.

You're proving my point. Most rich people in this country are considered self-made, American Dream blah blah blah. But of course with athletes, they are just generously fed money from the magnanimous owners, to whom they should apparently always be grateful. No way they earned it through their own hard work. Impossible.

 

[LSU-SIU]

You're proving my point. Most rich people in this country are considered self-made, American Dream blah blah blah. But of course with athletes, they are just generously fed money from the magnanimous owners, to whom they should apparently always be grateful. No way they earned it through their own hard work. Impossible.

People that make money can sometimes be easy prey, people that earn their money sucking money off the American taxpayer and clearly show they think they are better are the easiest of prey. (Biting the hand that fees seems quite insane)

None of this is going to end well for the NFL. imo

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

You're proving my point. Most rich people in this country are considered self-made, American Dream blah blah blah. But of course with athletes, they are just generously fed money from the magnanimous owners, to whom they should apparently always be grateful. No way they earned it through their own hard work. Impossible.

I thought that most of the rich have inherited their wealth.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Indiana Bill Would Force NFL Colts To Repay Angry Fans Offended By Anthem Protests

The snowflakes found an ally in the state legislature...

Rep. Milo Smith, R-Columbus, who is spearheading the movement said his bill would allow fans at home games who feel disrespected by kneeling to ask for a refund in the first quarter.