The Thread Where People Argue About Kneeling in the NFL (merged)

[hog88]

I guarantee you he knows that.

I think the point is that there is a fine line between patriotism and jingoism, and a lot of people are on the wrong side of that line.

You're giving him way too much credit considering his Putin worship.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

No, the guy made condescending remarks about people not having a firm grasp of their history. Then he exposed himself for being one of those people.

How is pointing out how ridiculous it is to throw around terms so commonly that they disrespect those who were actually slaves or were under Nazi rule condescending?

 

[NashVol11]

"I think that’s good,” Trump said Thursday on Fox and Friends. “I don’t think people should be staying in locker rooms, but still I think it’s good. You have to stand proudly for the national anthem or you shouldn’t be playing, you shouldn’t be there, maybe you shouldn’t be in the country.

Tf?

NFL anthem policy get approvals from President Trump | SI.com

 

[n_huffhines]

How is pointing out how ridiculous it is to throw around terms so commonly that they disrespect those who were actually slaves or were under Nazi rule condescending?

The slavery stuff is stupid, but how do you not see parallels with nationalistic fascism? Nobody is saying we are as bad as the Nazis, but we are saying this is what fascists would do.

The idea that you shouldn't live here because you want to protest police brutality...that's our president talking. Is that not a scary attitude?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Tf?

NFL anthem policy get approvals from President Trump | SI.com

I don't think people with dual citizenship should be here, either, much less have high ranking govt positions.

 

[FleeceItOut]

Doesn’t matter either way. NFL blows.

 

[FleeceItOut]

The slavery stuff is stupid, but how do you not see parallels with nationalistic fascism? Nobody is saying we are as bad as the Nazis, but we are saying this is what fascists would do.

The idea that you shouldn't live here because you want to protest police brutality...that's our president talking. Is that not a scary attitude?

They can protest all they want, just not at work.

Can you carry on a protest at work? I know I can’t.

 

[NashVol11]

They can protest all they want, just not at work.

Can you carry on a protest at work? I know I can’t.

It's typically up to the employer. This one had no problem with it until yesterday

 

[n_huffhines]

They can protest all they want, just not at work.

Can you carry on a protest at work? I know I can’t.

This is irrelevant. The owners can pass this rule, it's their organization, but what you're allowed to do at work has no bearing on the conversation.

And to answer your question, I'm certain there are protests that my employer would tolerate.

 

[FleeceItOut]

It's typically up to the employer. This one had no problem with it until yesterday

They realized it was hurting their bottom line, so they made the change. I don’t see a problem.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

How is pointing out how ridiculous it is to throw around terms so commonly that they disrespect those who were actually slaves or were under Nazi rule condescending?

Because you posture yourself above those people that you disagreed with by saying they had no historical knowledge or perspective. Meanwhile, your POTUS suggests people leave the country for peacefully protesting.

 

[FleeceItOut]

This is irrelevant. The owners can pass this rule, it's their organization, but what you're allowed to do at work has no bearing on the conversation.

And to answer your question, I'm certain there are protests that my employer would tolerate.

Then what’s your point? You want everyone to be able to protest anything, anywhere, any time?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

The slavery stuff is stupid, but how do you not see parallels with nationalistic fascism? Nobody is saying we are as bad as the Nazis, but we are saying this is what fascists would do.

The idea that you shouldn't live here because you want to protest police brutality...that's our president talking. Is that not a scary attitude?

Let me ax you this. In al seriousness. How do you think Clowny Kaepernick was going to extricate himself from his 'protest'? What was going to be his catalyst to stop the kneeling and stand up again? That was the question I always wanted to hear him answer, but I don't think even he knew. Other than the demise of his career, I don't think there could have been anything.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

They can protest all they want, just not at work.

Can you carry on a protest at work? I know I can’t.

I don't have a problem with people criticizing them for protesting on the job. That would actually be a legitimate gripe.

Most of these people have a problem with them protesting anywhere. That is the problem.

 

[n_huffhines]

Then what’s your point? You want everyone to be able to protest anything, anywhere, any time?

My point was in the post you quoted when you first engaged me, and no, that was not my point.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

It's typically up to the employer. This one had no problem with it until yesterday

they started having a problem with it when the revenue started falling.

 

[FleeceItOut]

My point was in the post you quoted when you first engaged me, and no, that was not my point.

Maybe I missed it. I didn’t read anything leading up to that post.

Is your point solely about Trump?

 

[n_huffhines]

Maybe I missed it. I didn’t read anything leading up to that post.

Is your point solely about Trump?

How about you read the things leading up to it instead of asking people to repeat themselves and ruining the thread? I'd understand if it were something that happened 400 posts ago but it's right there, man.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So you know that the salute had absolutely NOTHING to do with the Nazis or fascist Italy. I wonder id Ras did.

See Post #3687 in this thread.

 

[FleeceItOut]

How about you read the things leading up to it instead of asking people to repeat themselves and ruining the thread? I'd understand if it were something that happened 400 posts ago but it's right there, man.

Well first off it’s impossible to ruin this ridiculous thread, second it would have taken the same time to answer my question as it did for you to type a jackass response. Third, some of you guys need to get out of your feelings.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

How about you read the things leading up to it instead of asking people to repeat themselves and ruining the thread? I'd understand if it were something that happened 400 posts ago but it's right there, man.

He's too lazy to click a mouse and read to gain the proper context... not surprising.

 

[FleeceItOut]

I don't have a problem with people criticizing them for protesting on the job. That would actually be a legitimate gripe.

Most of these people have a problem with them protesting anywhere. That is the problem.

It’s their right to protest. Just don’t do it at work and cry foul when your employer decides it’s no longer acceptable because it’s making their wallets lighter.

The players shouldn’t want to do anything that hurts profits either considering that’s how they get paid.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Well first off it’s impossible to ruin this ridiculous thread, second it would have taken the same time to answer my question as it did for you to type a jackass response. Third, some of you guys need to get out of your feelings.

Seems like the only ones getting emotional are those making emotional arguments about saluting a piece of cloth.

 

[FleeceItOut]

He's too lazy to click a mouse and read to gain the proper context... not surprising.

Not surprising? Dude I rarely post here, and have never had an interaction with you.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

The slavery stuff is stupid, but how do you not see parallels with nationalistic fascism? Nobody is saying we are as bad as the Nazis, but we are saying this is what fascists would do.

The idea that you shouldn't live here because you want to protest police brutality...that's our president talking. Is that not a scary attitude?

I don't agree with Trump saying that at all, I don't agree with that line of thinking. I also don't really agree with the timing of the players protest, but I do believe they have a right to speak their mind on causes that are important to them. I think it's a fair compromise that if you don't want to participate in the pregame National Anthem then you don't have to. If you want to kneel then donate that fine money towards a cause of your choosing and do something you think is positive with it.