The Thread Where People Argue About Kneeling in the NFL (merged)

Apparently the Bellamy salute went away in 1942 and hand over the heart was adopted because people didn’t want to be seen as sympathetic with fascist regimes......

People recognized it and changed it. So.... horrible... lmao!

We already know all this. It's news to you and you think this is defeating some point that Ras was making, but it's irrelevant.
 
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I think people can interpret participating in honoring the flag and singing the National Anthem however they want. If it’s showing that you are grateful for our country and those that inhabit it that’s up to you. If it’s just “ saluting a piece a cloth” that’s up to you too. However, you nor I should make the assumption of what it should be to someone else.

Is saluting a flag or pledging allegiance a condition for citizenship?
 
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Apparently 1972 is immortal and has experienced all of American history. Gotta chop the head off to get his powers.
Depends upon the meaning of "back in the day." All I know about the 1800's and early 1900's is what someone, writing a book, wanted me to know.
 
I was born in 1949, and we didn't do it that way. I think that picture is from the late 1800's or early 1900's, based on clothing and the flag. Photography had obviously been invented.

Yeah o looked it up. Th flag code was hanged because of the unease with looking sympathetic toward he fascists.

Ras posts this Trying to equate to it and people already changed it because of that. This blew up in his face. Hahahaha
 
So let me try to understand this. A millenial (not sure why you chose that, but let's roll with it) comes into my place of work and tells ME to shut up and work, etc etc...
1) Why should I expect a member of the most entitled generation ever to do that? and

2) What is your point?

You mean Baby Boomers?
 
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I am 100% secure in my belief that when a professional athlete puts on their uniform and is representing their organization they need to put their political beliefs in the locker room with their street clothes.

And I don’t need Your condescending attitude to tell me I’m wrong for believeing it

I'm not calling you wrong for believing it (however I am dubious as to whether you would hold the same opinion if they were spreading a political message you believed in). I'm calling you a snowflake for letting those feelings get the better of you and cause you to screech bigly on internet forums, ranting about how the players should be dancing monkeys. I'm calling you a hypocrite for behaving like the snowflakes you like to point out and laugh at.
 
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Depends upon the meaning of "back in the day." All I know about the 1800's and early 1900's is what someone, writing a book, wanted me to know.

See, reading is a useful way to take in knowledge.

"Back in the day" is a subjective phrase, but the fact that we were talking about something that stopped happening in 1942 should have given you enough context to know what I meant by "back in the day".
 
My dad was born in 1950. I sent him that picture and this was the convo

Me- *sent picture*

Him- haha, what’s that?

Me- apparently that’s how everyone said he pledge back then

Him- hahahahahahahahaha no, where’d you get that?
LOL
If you were born in 1950, that means your dad was born in the depression era. No way he could have figured out how to open an email or a smartphone pic msg to see that... j/k
 
No way Ras. Not by a long shot. Millenials own this one in spades at least for “self entitlement.” IE they feel they’ are owed something.

Now back to that “workplace harassment” training...

What generation raised these "self entitled" millenials?
 
I'm not calling you wrong for believing it (however I am dubious as to whether you would hold the same opinion if they were spreading a political message you believed in). I'm calling you a snowflake for letting those feelings get the better of you and cause you to screech bigly on internet forums, ranting about how the players should be dancing monkeys. I'm calling you a hypocrite for behaving like the snowflakes you like to point out and laugh at.

Ok Percy let me be clear. I am against any political message from any professional athlete or coach when they are in the process of executing that sport. It has no place. If I agree with it most likely I’ll shrug it off more easily yes. But I will still recognize it has no place. And your context for me being a snowflake due to their message is invalid. You chose to shrug it off. Meh. I chose to tell them stfu and play. Read above. The content of the message is irrelevant and not triggering anything. And thus the hypocrite comment is invalid also!

Now threre are situations where sports and messages intersect. For example the military support in NASCAR. That is a core message in the sport and everybody toes the line in the talking points.
 
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No way Ras. Not by a long shot. Millenials own this one in spades at least for “self entitlement.” IE they feel they’ are owed something.

Now back to that “workplace harassment” training...

"Millennials feel they are owed something" and BB's are literally owed something because they are responsible for medicare and social security, the two most costly entitlements.
 
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You mean Baby Boomers?
I don't necessarily argue that point. However, at this juncture in history, baby boomers have done more to EARN that entitlement than have the millennials. I have paid into social security and expect nothing from it. An entitlement that I fully expect not to receive. You're ****ing welcome.
 
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Give me my money back and you can have back SS and Medicare? Deal?
Hell at this point I'd probably walk away from it without getting my money back if I didn't have to contribute to it anymore. I'm never going to recoup what I have paid into it anyway by the time it is means tested.
 
"Millennials feel they are owed something" and BB's are literally owed something because they are responsible for medicare and social security, the two most costly entitlements.
Which group at this point has contributed more into that fund?
 
I don't necessarily argue that point. However, at this juncture in history, baby boomers have done more to EARN that entitlement than have the millennials. I have paid into social security and expect nothing from it. An entitlement that I fully expect not to receive. You're ****ing welcome.

Well said. I have SS judged so far down in my retirement model it will be beer money. Didn’t even get a yearly reach around for that anal raping for which I expect to see minimal payback
 
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