The Thread Where People Argue About Kneeling in the NFL (merged)

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I have never seen a dumber protest than kneeling. Instead of shining a light on their cause they have created a new controversy about kneeling when the anthem is played. Its just about that issue now nothing more, great job. They have alienated most of the population. The solution is to stop playing the anthem at professional sporting events.
 
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This whole debacle is a reflection of the useless "me" ad look at me new era. Instead of just going out into the communities, and working, putting in the time and effort, and maybe money, and working for change, without anyone knowing or any publicity, we have an individual who feels he must raise awareness. Just as we see with all of these mindless self loving twitter and whatever other platform fighters, calling for change, instead of just doing something as an individual and putting in the time to make change. One day at a time, day after day, minor victories on micro levels.

Lip service and lazy protesting with a big slice of make myself feel better, yay, I tweeted about whatever cause and I'm doing something. I have no footprint except on this site, no twitter or fb or whatever else is out there, but, if I did, here's my movement: #f***yourmovement #stoptalkingstartdoing.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
I have never seen a dumber protest than kneeling. Instead of shining a light on their cause they have created a new controversy about kneeling when the anthem is played. Its just about that issue now nothing more, great job. They have alienated most of the population. The solution is to stop playing the anthem at professional sporting events.
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I like the solution of an NFL reporter (who's name I don't remember), he said to eliminate the anthem altogether. Instead, each team produces a video called, "We are the NFL, We are America" in it are pictures of NFL players performing community outreach, meeting with local leaders, law enforcement, military, etc. The background music is patriotic and when it crescendos at the end, the home team comes running out onto the field.

or you can play Ray Charles' "America the Beautiful". If you can protest that song, you don't belong here.
 
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MG1968 said:
I like the solution of an NFL reporter (who's name I don't remember), he said to eliminate the anthem altogether. Instead, each team produces a video called, "We are the NFL, We are America" in it are pictures of NFL players performing community outreach, meeting with local leaders, law enforcement, military, etc. The background music is patriotic and when it crescendos at the end, the home team comes running out onto the field.

or you can play Ray Charles' "America the Beautiful". If you can protest that song, you don't belong here.
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Good idea, only you would get about 3 minutes of video from the entire NFL.
 
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MG1968 said:
I like the solution of an NFL reporter (who's name I don't remember), he said to eliminate the anthem altogether. Instead, each team produces a video called, "We are the NFL, We are America" in it are pictures of NFL players performing community outreach, meeting with local leaders, law enforcement, military, etc. The background music is patriotic and when it crescendos at the end, the home team comes running out onto the field.

or you can play Ray Charles' "America the Beautiful". If you can protest that song, you don't belong here.
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Wait, have the goal posts moved again? I thought it was not about the anthem or any other song?
The NFL needs to stick to its gins or do away with anthem, or any other song/video, and let the chips fall.
 
#5,661
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Yeah, I'm likely to get curb-stomped for this opinion. I don't care anymore.

We're making a mountain out of a mole hill. Players are kneeling. So what? If they wanted to be assholes they'd stay standing and turn their backs. In about every other situation, we'd consider kneeling a sign of honor; this is just a manufactured issue to keep people pissed off. And the fact that we're more concerned about our personal entertainment than the pernicious issues that create the desire for the players to protest is a whole other thing entirely.

We're a nation addicted to idolatry, with reverence and behaviors put in place for reasons many either don't know or don't care about anymore. Every year I would make sure I taught my students where our heightened interest in the flag comes from, where the Pledge came from, the original salute to the flag, and when and why "under God" was added. I'd also tell them why I stand and put my hand over my heart despite knowing the history of the ritual.

I believe we do a disservice to our national heritage, our country's symbols, and the ideals our soldiers have fought and died for when we expect blind adherence to an unwritten social code and spend more effort eviscerating those who bring attention to important issues than we do addressing the issues themselves.
 
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AshG said:
Yeah, I'm likely to get curb-stomped for this opinion. I don't care anymore.

We're making a mountain out of a mole hill. Players are kneeling. So what? If they wanted to be assholes they'd stay standing and turn their backs. In about every other situation, we'd consider kneeling a sign of honor; this is just a manufactured issue to keep people pissed off. And the fact that we're more concerned about our personal entertainment than the pernicious issues that create the desire for the players to protest is a whole other thing entirely.

We're a nation addicted to idolatry, with reverence and behaviors put in place for reasons many either don't know or don't care about anymore. Every year I would make sure I taught my students where our heightened interest in the flag comes from, where the Pledge came from, the original salute to the flag, and when and why "under God" was added. I'd also tell them why I stand and put my hand over my heart despite knowing the history of the ritual.

I believe we do a disservice to our national heritage, our country's symbols, and the ideals our soldiers have fought and died for when we expect blind adherence to an unwritten social code and spend more effort eviscerating those who bring attention to important issues than we do addressing the issues themselves.
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Nobody wants to honestly look at any of the issues.... not the players not anyone else in society. The players protested the flag bc they knew it would tick people off..... it ticked people off.....I just want to watch football until this game is completely ruined with all these rule changes.
 
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AshG said:
Yeah, I'm likely to get curb-stomped for this opinion. I don't care anymore.

We're making a mountain out of a mole hill. Players are kneeling. So what? If they wanted to be assholes they'd stay standing and turn their backs. In about every other situation, we'd consider kneeling a sign of honor; this is just a manufactured issue to keep people pissed off. And the fact that we're more concerned about our personal entertainment than the pernicious issues that create the desire for the players to protest is a whole other thing entirely.

We're a nation addicted to idolatry, with reverence and behaviors put in place for reasons many either don't know or don't care about anymore. Every year I would make sure I taught my students where our heightened interest in the flag comes from, where the Pledge came from, the original salute to the flag, and when and why "under God" was added. I'd also tell them why I stand and put my hand over my heart despite knowing the history of the ritual.

I believe we do a disservice to our national heritage, our country's symbols, and the ideals our soldiers have fought and died for when we expect blind adherence to an unwritten social code and spend more effort eviscerating those who bring attention to important issues than we do addressing the issues themselves.
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I agree, bottom line is they are actually hurting their cause. They need to change tactics instead of doubling down. I am sympathetic to police brutality, needs to be weeded out wherever it exists, but if they take a knee they lost my interest. The people who are offended will never change their minds. Pick another way of protesting that is less offensive and pick up support.
 
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Ratings for NFL Hall of Fame Game Crash to 20-Year Low

Ratings for the NFL Hall of Fame Game and induction ceremony, crashed to lows not seen since 1998.

According to Pro Football Talk via Austin Karp of Sports Business Journal:
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Thursday night’s Hall of Fame game between the Bears and Ravens register 6.78 million viewers. That’s a 17.8-percent decline from last year’s Cowboys-Cardinals game, and the smallest broadcast audience since 1998, when 6.3 million watched the Buccaneers and the Steelers.

The total audience for Saturday night’s enshrinement ceremony, simulcast on ESPN and NFL Network, dropped from 1.18 million to 1.17 million. While the difference is negligible, the 2018 class should have driven more eyes and ears.​
 
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SLICKYINC said:
I didn’t know where else to put this...

If kneeling doesn't make people stop watching. I know this will...

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I saw this last night and my first thought ...... that I actually said out loud was "what in the hell?"...... nobody wants to see that s***..... well ..... almost nobody
 
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tennvols77 said:
This whole debacle is a reflection of the useless "me" ad look at me new era. Instead of just going out into the communities, and working, putting in the time and effort, and maybe money, and working for change, without anyone knowing or any publicity, we have an individual who feels he must raise awareness. Just as we see with all of these mindless self loving twitter and whatever other platform fighters, calling for change, instead of just doing something as an individual and putting in the time to make change. One day at a time, day after day, minor victories on micro levels.

Lip service and lazy protesting with a big slice of make myself feel better, yay, I tweeted about whatever cause and I'm doing something. I have no footprint except on this site, no twitter or fb or whatever else is out there, but, if I did, here's my movement: #f***yourmovement #stoptalkingstartdoing.
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You are correct. The players engaged in the protest are mostly all talk, no action.

But the hysterical, emotional reaction by the snowflakes on the right is just as ridiculous.

Both sides need a diaper change.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I saw this last night and my first thought ...... that I actually said out loud was "what in the hell?"...... nobody wants to see that s***..... well ..... almost nobody
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Currently on two teams have dude dancers but, it will spread to all teams in time. Minus maybe the Cowboys if Jerry has anything to do with it.
 
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If people tune out the NFL because seeing someone "out of line" is so unbearable, I believe they are doing right by themselves.

If the NFL believes they need to fire a player, for the same, that's the remedy.

Doesn't seem so hard of a choice
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You are correct. The players engaged in the protest are mostly all talk, no action.

But the hysterical, emotional reaction by the snowflakes on the right is just as ridiculous.

Both sides need a diaper change.
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There is absolutely nothing and I mean nothing the fans can do st this point to out stupid the male dancer stuff the NFL is going to do.
 
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AshG said:
Yeah, I'm likely to get curb-stomped for this opinion. I don't care anymore.

We're making a mountain out of a mole hill. Players are kneeling. So what? If they wanted to be assholes they'd stay standing and turn their backs. In about every other situation, we'd consider kneeling a sign of honor; this is just a manufactured issue to keep people pissed off. And the fact that we're more concerned about our personal entertainment than the pernicious issues that create the desire for the players to protest is a whole other thing entirely.

We're a nation addicted to idolatry, with reverence and behaviors put in place for reasons many either don't know or don't care about anymore. Every year I would make sure I taught my students where our heightened interest in the flag comes from, where the Pledge came from, the original salute to the flag, and when and why "under God" was added. I'd also tell them why I stand and put my hand over my heart despite knowing the history of the ritual.

I believe we do a disservice to our national heritage, our country's symbols, and the ideals our soldiers have fought and died for when we expect blind adherence to an unwritten social code and spend more effort eviscerating those who bring attention to important issues than we do addressing the issues themselves.
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The problem is that those that are 'protesting' have made it about themselves rather than the issue. I'll bet you 90 percent of the knuckledragging NFL fandom, much less the players themselves, couldn't tell you what the 'protest' was about to begin with.

All it has done is reduced revenues to their employers, and there was no way to prove the protest had any effect on the originally intended purpose to begin with. It was ill conceived and childish. The only football field that Kaperdick should ever see again is on the back of a lawnmower.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Nobody wants to honestly look at any of the issues.... not the players not anyone else in society. The players protested the flag bc they knew it would tick people off..... it ticked people off.....I just want to watch football until this game is completely ruined with all these rule changes.
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Not true. Those that are the supposed victims in all of this do not want to hear the solutions. They are fact based, quantifiable solutions and they do not want to hear it.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I saw this last night and my first thought ...... that I actually said out loud was "what in the hell?"...... nobody wants to see that s***..... well ..... almost nobody
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That is exactly what I thought when I watched the first episode of "Survivor".
 
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