The Thread Where People Argue About Kneeling in the NFL (merged)

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ClearwaterVol said:
I agree wholeheartedly. I wouldn't choose to protest during the national anthem, but that is my personal preference. The conservatives are so enraged by this display that they have lost their damn minds. Don't protest when I might see your protest. Protest on your own time in the privacy of your home for instance. I have seen comments like don't these overpaid thugs know how lucky they are? (If you don't see the racism in such a comment you are willfully blind.) And lucky? These men have worked harder to attain success than most other people do in their occupations. Overpaid? Through there efforts the owners are making plenty of money. If you are an integral part of your employers sustained success are you overpaid? The right has become snowflakes that have taken to boycotting their entertainers.

As for the pledge, I have always found it a bit creepy. The History of the Pledge
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Stop calling it protesting. Its not.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So having strong feelings of patriotism means you are a snowflake now. You have gone off the rails. I shouldnt be surprised but somehow I am.
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I don't know you personally nor do I know your situation in life. But I am willing to bet $1 million that I don't have that you have far more important things for you to be outraged and concerned about in your day to day life than who is standing or kneeling the 2 minutes before a Sunday kids' game. That is what makes you a snowflake.
 
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volfanhill said:
Your moments of being a moron are well documented. You can argue about the effectiveness but it is a protest. And why have an issue with is? Do you think police brutality doesn’t exist? Doesn’t matter the extent. It is something that is happening.
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You can believe whatever you want. But its nothing more than entitled athletes doing things on a national stage for attention. Of course police brutality exists. Do you think it just started happening? No. Its been happening for a long time. But because a former starting QB lost his job, well NOW its an issue. Lol. I realize this attention getting scheme is happening. They certainly have the right to do it. Just as I have the right to call it whatever I please. Pull up your panties.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
You can believe whatever you want. But its nothing more than entitled athletes doing things on a national stage for attention.
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No worse than Trump's attention getting antics on the other side of the argument. Both sides are ridiculous.

BigOrangeTrain said:
Of course police brutality exists. Do you think it just started happening? No. Its been happening for a long time.
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So what are you saying right here? Police brutality is a necessary evil? I say that tongue in cheek (slightly), but you seem to be dismissing police brutality as a real issue with most people... or at least most of these players.
 
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Septic said:
It is protesting. These guys using their platform has literally nothing to do with disrespect.

You've bought the narrative because you're not capable of thinking outside the box.

One doesn't have to like it to understand it.
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Do you support Facebook banning infowars?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
And the owners really don't have the balls to follow through. If Zeke takes a knee... jerry ain't cutting him. Joe minimum salary takes a knee... jerry will follow through
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It is personal for me. I have two on active duty right now with one of them on foreign soil.

I view it as disrespect because of the reason the anthem is played and the flag is the center of attention during the anthem.

Anyone has every right to protest it, but I have every right to take it as disrespect to our country and my sons.
 
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T-TownVol said:
It is personal for me. I have two on active duty right now with one of them on foreign soil.

I view it as disrespect because of the reason the anthem is played and the flag is the center of attention during the anthem.

Anyone has every right to protest it, but I have every right to take it as disrespect to our country and my sons.
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I understand and it wouldn't be the way I would choose to protest, but I support their right to do so and try not to take offense. The protest has nothing to do with the military and it is unfortunate that it's been framed that way.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I understand and it wouldn't be the way I would choose to protest, but I support their right to do so and try not to take offense. The protest has nothing to do with the military and it is unfortunate that it's been framed that way.
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On this point we can disagree.
I understand the point of the protest and once again, support their right. But when there are men in uniform presenting the colors and someone chooses to sit or kneel in protest, they are disrespecting the military but their actions.
 
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T-TownVol said:
On this point we can disagree.
I understand the point of the protest and once again, support their right. But when there are men in uniform presenting the colors and someone chooses to sit or kneel in protest, they are disrespecting the military but their actions.
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I can see your point, but I don't believe that was ever the intent. It was to protest what they perceive as an unjust condition in America.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I understand and it wouldn't be the way I would choose to protest, but I support their right to do so and try not to take offense. The protest has nothing to do with the military and it is unfortunate that it's been framed that way.
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If the protesters didn’t want it tied to the military then they should have found something else to demonstrate aginst.
Almost nobody alive thinks of the police when they see the flag or hear the anthem.
 
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utvols88 said:
Do you support Facebook banning infowars?
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I support any business's right to associate with whoever they like for any legal reason. I also support the public's right to not associate with a business that treats people like sh|t.
 
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T-TownVol said:
It is personal for me. I have two on active duty right now with one of them on foreign soil.

I view it as disrespect because of the reason the anthem is played and the flag is the center of attention during the anthem.

Anyone has every right to protest it, but I have every right to take it as disrespect to our country and my sons.
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Thanks for writing this......I think I understand now. Those that kneel or abide kneeling during the anthem never knew why they were standing. Standing never had any meaning for them.
 
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Septic said:
I support any business's right to associate with whoever they like for any legal reason. I also support the public's right to not associate with a business that treats people like sh|t.
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So you agree that the NFL requiring the players to stand or stay in the locker room is entirely acceptable and not infringing on any rights?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I understand and it wouldn't be the way I would choose to protest, but I support their right to do so and try not to take offense. The protest has nothing to do with the military and it is unfortunate that it's been framed that way.
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What does protesting the flag and anthem have to do with police?
 
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utvols88 said:
So you agree that the NFL requiring the players to stand or stay in the locker room is entirely acceptable and not infringing on any rights?
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Being "acceptable" is subjective, it's acceptable to me. It may not be acceptable to their employer, which frankly is the only one that matters.

Rights? The players have the right to kneel, the government isn't infringing on their rights, so far as I know.

The players are and should be free to express themselves, the employers are and should be free to express themselves by taking appropriate legal action including termination due to employee misconduct.
 
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tumscalcium said:
What does protesting the flag and anthem have to do with police?
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They aren't protesting the flag or the anthem. They're protesting the perceived social injustice of blacks by law enforcement. They are using the anthem time as a platform for the attention.

i.e. no attention if they kneel during the halftime show.
 
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