The Thread Where People Argue About Kneeling in the NFL (merged)

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T-TownVol said:
I never said it is AGAINST the military. I said it is a disrespect to my sons.
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And again, it has nothing to do with your sons. There are plenty of other things that you need to worry about that are showing your sons disrespect if they are in uniform. What goes on before a football game would be at the very bottom of the list, if it was even on the list.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Now, lets go with that. Here is where me and you are going to share some common ground because I do think there was a significant level of bandwagon jumping for most and a bit of genuine concern for the cause by others. I think the players that had a genuine concern for the cause should maybe have focused on a more effective solution, as opposed to just protesting. I think the other bandwagon jumpers are contrarians and like the attention they receive from being contrarians... esp. after Trump jumped into the conversation. I don't honestly know where the percentages are with regards to 60/40 or 70/30 or 50/50 on one side or the other, but I think you have a very sizeable number of players that are just doing this as a way to pizz off Trump.
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I don’t like that Trump jumped into it and cringe every time he brings it up. The whole thing has just been muddled.
 
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newarkvol said:
I don't know? Maybe taking the time and energy to drive to downtown Atlanta just to make a spectacle of oneself? Being provocative for dubious/misguided reasons? --in order to prove??? Let me ask you something Tums? Do you get out of the lazy-boy when you hear the anthem on TV?- place hand over heart---do you have the beer in the other hand or do you show some respect and put it down?
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So.. my cause isn't important enough, in your opinion, to warrant my method? hm. 🤔
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The conviction rates after most of these cases goes to trial seems to contradict that.
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Two separate issues but there is actual data to support the incarceration rates and that I can get behind a further investigation in how to fix it. It would add a color to my rainbow to be a part of that conversation as well for a positive impact.
 
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newarkvol said:
I don't know? Maybe taking the time and energy to drive to downtown Atlanta just to make a spectacle of oneself? Being provocative for dubious/misguided reasons? --in order to prove??? Let me ask you something Tums? Do you get out of the lazy-boy when you hear the anthem on TV?- place hand over heart---do you have the beer in the other hand or do you show some respect and put it down?
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I would wager any amount of money that a majority of the whiners in here do not stand in front of their Magnavox on Sunday.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And again, it has nothing to do with your sons. There are plenty of other things that you need to worry about that are showing your sons disrespect if they are in uniform. What goes on before a football game would be at the very bottom of the list, if it was even on the list.
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Mmmmkay
 
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utvols88 said:
lol ... whoosh... right over your head. Am I being an assshole because I know itll rustle enough jimmies to get attention to my cause or because it has nothing to do with MLK and in protesting, I am disrespecting him?
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This is poorly worded and confusing, but i think I can parse--but only if you answer a few questions: Why do you feel the need to "rustle jimmies" --What are you protesting by turning your back on an MLK parade? Why would ---I assume-- a grown man do this? I see the word "disrespect" bandied about---Is someone "disrespecting "utvols88?"--specifically? Why so angry? What does people kneeling during a song have to do with a MLK parade? (shhhh...black people??) Why do you spend your precious time on earth feeling "disrespected" by individuals whom you have no connection with? please answer these questions and then we may address your clumsy analogy.
 
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utvols88 said:
What difference does it make? Legit question. What are you getting at?
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Our country has misplaced outrage. We have cops killing civilians at a ridiculous pace and cops interacting with the public far too often, yet most of you are concerned about who is standing or kneeling in the 2 minutes leading up to a football game.
 
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tumscalcium said:
I liked this Why there are 15 backup QBs better than Kaepernick 😬

He’s bad. He’s not the worst quarterback but he’s not good. And he’s certainly not worth the negativity he brings.
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The very first name on the list is a push, at best. Jimmy Garrapolo and Kaepernick had identical numbers over the last few games they played in SF.

The rest of that list is a joke. Ryan Mallett? Geno Smith?

Jimmy Garoppolo, Patriots
Matt Moore, Dolphins
Colt McCoy, Washington
A.J. McCarron, Bengals
Chad Henne, Jaguars
Geno Smith, Giants
Drew Stanton, Cardinals
Brock Osweiler/Cody Kessler, Browns
Chase Daniel, Saints
Derek Anderson, Panthers
Nick Foles, Eagles
Ryan Mallett, Ravens
Matt Barkley, 49ers
Landry Jones, Steelers
Matt Cassel, Titans
 
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newarkvol said:
This is poorly worded and confusing, but i think I can parse--but only if you answer a few questions: Why do you feel the need to "rustle jimmies" --What are you protesting by turning your back on an MLK parade? Why are you so angry? Why would ---I assume-- a grown man do this? I see the word "disrespect" bandied about---Is someone "disrespecting "utvols88?"--specifically? What does this have to do with an MLK parade? (shhhh...black people??) Why do you spend your precious time on earth feeling "disrespected" by individuals whom you have no connection with? please answer these questions and then we may address your clumsy analogy.
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I'll play along with my hypothetical. Please be aware, I am not actually angry over anything, it was a hypothetical example and you are the only one who doesnt get that.

THIS IS USING THE ARGUMENTS ON THE KNEELING PROTESTS NOT MY OWN.
My reason for picking the MLK parade could be because everyone would find out about it so the conversation would start and address what I would find an inflated and unfair individual financial burden on an overvalued degree that is diluted in the workforce. Its simply, to get the attention to my cause (same with Kaepernick)

if my hypothetical self asked my real self, I would tell my hypothetical self that it would create more enemies before they can even hear you out so I would pick a different method.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Our country has misplaced outrage. We have cops killing civilians at ridiculous pace and cops interacting with the public far too often, yet most of you are concerned about who is standing or kneeling in the 2 minutes leading up to a football game.
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a ridiculous pace? that's where we disagree. See my prior post for the actual numbers. Distracted driving kills civilians at a ridiculous pace.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The very first name on the list is a push, at best. Jimmy Garrapolo and Kaepernick had identical numbers over the last few games they played in SF.

The rest of that list is a joke. Ryan Mallett? Geno Smith?

Jimmy Garoppolo, Patriots
Matt Moore, Dolphins
Colt McCoy, Washington
A.J. McCarron, Bengals
Chad Henne, Jaguars
Geno Smith, Giants
Drew Stanton, Cardinals
Brock Osweiler/Cody Kessler, Browns
Chase Daniel, Saints
Derek Anderson, Panthers
Nick Foles, Eagles
Ryan Mallett, Ravens
Matt Barkley, 49ers
Landry Jones, Steelers
Matt Cassel, Titans
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I didn’t read it I just liked the title. Ha

Like I’ve said before Kaep isn’t good and he’s certainly not good enough to overcome his negativity.
 
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utvols88 said:
So.. my cause isn't important enough, in your opinion, to warrant my method? hm. 🤔
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Uuuhhh...I am trying to ascertain your "cause"---is it patriotism by coercion? cause that doesn't sound very American-- And why is this issue so important to you? Please address this as well as my previous queries? ---so I may understand your passion and outrage for this particular manufactured "issue"
 
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utvols88 said:
I'll play along with my hypothetical. Please be aware, I am not actually angry over anything, it was a hypothetical example and you are the only one who doesnt get that.

THIS IS USING THE ARGUMENTS ON THE KNEELING PROTESTS NOT MY OWN.
My reason for picking the MLK parade could be because everyone would find out about it so the conversation would start and address what I would find an inflated and unfair individual financial burden on an overvalued degree that is diluted in the workforce. Its simply, to get the attention to my cause (same with Kaepernick)

if my hypothetical self asked my real self, I would tell my hypothetical self that it would create more enemies before they can even hear you out so I would pick a different method.
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Kaepernick isn't the one that tried to draw attention to his cause... the media asked him and he answered their question.

Second, there is a very weak link that would be made in this hypothetical instance between MLK and rising tuition rates. The same cannot be said with regards to the US flag/national anthem and the justice system that is represented by that flag.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Kaepernick isn't the one that tried to draw attention to his cause... the media asked him and he answered their question.

Second, there is a very weak link that would be made in this hypothetical instance between MLK and rising tuition rates. The same cannot be said with regards to the US flag/national anthem and the justice system that is represented by that flag.
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That's as weak of a link and it is also subjective on both sides. You aren't the arbiter of what is a good enough link vs what is not nor am I.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Kaepernick isn't the one that tried to draw attention to his cause... the media asked him and he answered their question.

Second, there is a very weak link that would be made in this hypothetical instance between MLK and rising tuition rates. The same cannot be said with regards to the US flag/national anthem and the justice system that is represented by that flag.
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He’s not protesting MLK. He’s been clear about this. Quit whining. His cause is now getting attention. Now we’re finally having the dialogue about the universities.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Kaepernick isn't the one that tried to draw attention to his cause... the media asked him and he answered their question.

Second, there is a very weak link that would be made in this hypothetical instance between MLK and rising tuition rates. The same cannot be said with regards to the US flag/national anthem and the justice system that is represented by that flag.
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So the starting QB of an NFL team planned to silently protest something and figured no one would ask anything? Lol.
 
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newarkvol said:
Le sigh,
I am no longer addressing your "hypothetical" --- Why? Because it is inane--I just want to know why you care about this issue?
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What issue? the university issue? If so, it was a random, unrelated topic from MLK for the purpose of the hypothetical. You are STILL missing the point and you continue to focus on the wrong thing. Take a step back man.
 
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