The very stable genius had to be sequestered from nukes

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RockyTop85 said:
Where is there an allegation that he ignored Trump?
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The allegation is that he violated the chain of command. The transcript of the call should be released to see what other potential violations he committed. If there is none, he should be punished for violating the chain of command if nothing else alone.
 
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luthervol said:
"mean tweets and all" is the right's code for...........he was a lying, petty, divisive, crude, narcissistic, immature, vindictive, vengeful, paranoid, ammoral, blow hard.

Think of what could have been.
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I prefer to look at what was. Other than him trying to downplay Coronavirus, his presidency was nothing at all like the "what could happen with Trump as president" fearmongering from the left that started in 2016. No crashed economy. No wars with NK. No wars with China. No wars in the ME. No nukes launched.

A lousy president, but his 4 years offer no reason for sensationalistic "what could have been". You sound like a hypochondriac parent.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Lol with Trump it's guilty until proven innocent. With your man Biden, it's let the facts come out.
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You're making up arguments again.

Also, is it Biden or Milley under the spotlight here? You seem to be confused at who is at the heart of the discussion (hint: it's not Biden.) In fact you seem to be confused by who hired Milley to be the chairman of the JCS in the first place, so in that regard "who's man" was he?
 
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Septic said:
You're making up arguments again.

Also, is it Biden or Milley under the spotlight here? You seem to be confused at who is at the heart of the discussion (hint: it's not Biden.) In fact you seem to be confused by who hired Milley to be the chairman of the JCS in the first place, so in that regard "who's man" was he?
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Do I need to quote your post where you bolded "aledged". Who's administration does he serve under?
 
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luthervol said:
Not in the least. How can you be so off base?
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It's exactly what you've been doing in this thread Luther .... just own it. Stop your lies.
You've repeatedly said that you applaud Milley to break the law over his boss Trump.
You have been like a 10 yo giddy school girl in doing so. Are you that delusional you don't really know that you've encourage military Generals like Milley to act that way.
 
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luthervol said:
Not in the least. How can you be so off base?
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Milley looks to have violated the chain of command. His spokesperson put out a statement and admitted the call was made. The former sec. of defense denies giving Milley the OK to make such a call. Should he be punished for it?
 
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TheDeeble said:
I prefer to look at what was. Other than him trying to downplay Coronavirus, his presidency was nothing at all like the "what could happen with Trump as president" fearmongering from the left that started in 2016. No crashed economy. No wars with NK. No wars with China. No wars in the ME. No nukes launched.

We have over 50% of the republican party who falsely believe he won the 2020 election.
One of his most damaging legacies will be how he intentionally lied to his followers with "alternative facts" and his exclusive support of right wing media. (Q - pretty much sums it up)
He will always be know as the great divider and the king of ignorance. (both intentional and strategic) Bannon/Stone
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InVOLuntary said:
It was a terrible time

Lowest unemployment in decades
Lowest AA unemployment in decades
Secure boarder
Booming stock market
I could go on and on.
He did this despite being undermined from the day after his election.
But mean tweets and all.

You're really a pathetic sheep.
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You mean you don’t like higher taxes, inflation through the roof, bank account spying, unconstitutional mandates, etc?
 
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TheDeeble said:
I prefer to look at what was. Other than him trying to downplay Coronavirus, his presidency was nothing at all like the "what could happen with Trump as president" fearmongering from the left that started in 2016. No crashed economy. No wars with NK. No wars with China. No wars in the ME. No nukes launched.

A lousy president, but his 4 years offer no reason for sensationalistic "what could have been". You sound like a hypochondriac parent.
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His foreign policy was actually somewhat effective.

Nuclear proliferation creates a tremendous incentive for diplomacy, almost like a set of unwritten rules that Trump seemed too dumb to understand.

It’s like walking down a city street filled with world leaders and there’s a disheveled homeless guy having a psychotic break, angrily screaming to himself, and they’re all wondering if he’s about to lash out at somebody, except he’s holding the world’s biggest bazooka.

Countries that people were worried we’d end up at war with probably gave us more of a wide berth because it was never really clear that Trump was bright enough to comprehend mutually assured destruction.

The fact that he just up and abandoned some of our long-standing Middle East doctrine also prompted some of the countries that are fearful of Iran to partner with Israel, which was a big, hopefully lasting, win and a strong first step that can be advanced as petroleum becomes less essential.

I don’t give him 4D chess credit for all that anymore than I take credit for being one of the ones who was concerned about what he might do, but in hindsight the fact that he was unpredictable probably ended up forestalling a lot of the worst outcomes.

It also goes a long way towards making me skeptical that back channeling countries who might be able to legitimately preemptively hurt us isn’t the scandal this is being turned into.
 
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tnmarktx said:
Milley looks to have violated the chain of command. His spokesperson put out a statement and admitted the call was made. The former sec. of defense denies giving Milley the OK to make such a call. Should he be punished for it?
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Based on what I know. He should not be punished.
 
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luthervol said:
Based on what I know. He should not be punished.
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Just like I stated before. You're pushing a conspiracy theory that Milley dreamed up in his mind that made it OK for him to violate the chain of command and cover up a potential crime. Stop denying it and own it.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
It's exactly what you've been doing in this thread Luther .... just own it. Stop your lies.
You've repeatedly said that you applaud Milley to break the law over his boss Trump.
You have been like a 10 yo giddy school girl in doing so. Are you that delusional you don't really know that you've encourage military Generals like Milley to act that way.
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My position has been that Trump was always unhinged but especially after he lost the election. Jan. 6th was the incident that emphatically showed the world how out of control Trump and his followers had become......and potentially dangerous.
Having a plan for what to do if Trump spiraled even further out of control was not only wise but a virtual necessity.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Seems like that should be the scandal.
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It was, Esper was sacked.


But since he's not around and Milley PO'd the trumpers with the BLM comments and his shouting matches with the Dotard - he's squarely in the cross hairs. He's the next best thing...
 
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C-south said:
You mean you don’t like higher taxes, inflation through the roof, bank account spying, unconstitutional mandates, etc?
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Hell yeah! I want all that and more! I want all that dependency on foreign oil. I want us on bended knee. I want the government forcing chemicals in my body. I want all that government regulation brought back. It's all worth it as long as my feelers don't get hurt from the tweeter!
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Is media coverage the appropriate remedy?
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Certainly doesn't hurt. @Septic is right that the SecDef got canned over it, but I don't know if there ever was any follow up and our troops were pulled. It was right in the middle of the election frenzy and the world could have stopped turning.

Anyway, if Miley did make the calls around that time and wasn't approved to do so, it does show a distinct pattern within the DoD of ignoring the CinC and doing whatever the hell they wanted.

And that's a dangerous situation.
 
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