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ric1958 said:
He never said chose was a fact. You are picking words to fit your argument. He said the fact was that you will stand before your Creator and answer for what you do.
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So if gay people are born gay and being gay is a sin (and god has a hand in creating each life), then it's god's fault.

Sounds like God's gonna have some 'splainin to do to God when he gets to heaven!
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
So if gay people are born gay and being gay is a sin (and god has a hand in creating each life), then it's god's fault.

Sounds like God's gonna have some 'splainin to do to God when he gets to heaven!
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God has no explaining to do, because 'gay is sin' came from a man's hand.

CINCYVOL said:
Because its an abomination?
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This post is.
 
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VOLout8 said:
What reason other than a person saying so do you have that someone is born gay? I'm not saying you don't have one. I'm just interested.
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That argument works both ways though. If sexuality is a choice, then you're choosing to like boobs more than wieners (or were socialized to prefer boobies).

But seriously, there have been a lot of psychological studies looking into this and it's not a controversial topic. Homosexuality is a natural occurring phenomenon in humans and other animals.

Look into Bonobos (they're basically another species of chimp). They are basically all bisexual. They'll have sex with other bonobos of any sex for reasons ranging from pleasure or procreation to defusing social conflict. They're really interesting animals.
 
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Vol Karma said:
There is no 100% proof either way yet. I found that you can pull 'proof' or 'theories' depending on which side of the debate you want to take (kind of like Global Warming). It is something I just know in my gut (and I also feel it is not the case every time). It is fact that most of us can meet a stranger and have our 'gaydar' go off. It is the discrimination that gays deal with on a daily basis (no one would choose that). It is the struggle I have seen in gay Christians in dealing with their sexuality and faith. I could go on and on.
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I agree Christians struggle with homosexuality and they are no different than a man who struggles with pornography. There are facts behind being born heterosexual. Simply put the human body was designed to reproduce that way. Not by chance but by design. Not just in the fact that body parts were, chromosomes, DNA, ect. Everyone can agree that a father and mother bring something to the home emotionally for their kids. Without one the child must look else where to find that void. If you are a Christian your Bible also says that. If you took away a gay person saying it then there would be no basis.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Why are some people so against the idea that gay people might have been born gay?
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You're throwing a wrench in an idea within their religion. If people are born gay then it's not fair to call it a sin. If it's not a sin then what else is fabricated? It's a destructive idea. That's why. I'm not saying ish about why I believe because I haven't been sure for years.
 
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VOLout8 said:
I agree Christians struggle with homosexuality and they are no different than a man who struggles with pornography. There are facts behind being born heterosexual. Simply put the human body was designed to reproduce that way. Not by chance but by design. Not just in the fact that body parts were, chromosomes, DNA, ect. Everyone can agree that a father and mother bring something to the home emotionally for their kids. Without one the child must look else where to find that void. If you are a Christian your Bible also says that. If you took away a gay person saying it then there would be no basis.
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People can be born with all types of varying DNA and chromosomes though. People can be born with no genitalia (or ambiguous genitalia) people can be born with 2 X chromosomes or lacking chromosomes. People can be born DNA sequences that don't match correctly or with neurological disorders that can't allow them to mover their bodies or cause them to seize hundreds of times a week.

Why is it so hard to believe someone can be born being attracted to different people than you?
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Why are some people so against the idea that gay people might have been born gay?
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"Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction. No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous. Homosexuality is an adaptation, no an inborn trait."

- Lesbian activist Camille Paglia.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
People can be born with all types of varying DNA and chromosomes though. People can be born with no genitalia (or ambiguous genitalia) people can be born with 2 X chromosomes or lacking chromosomes. People can be born DNA sequences that don't match correctly or with neurological disorders that can't allow them to mover their bodies or cause them to seize hundreds of times a week.

Why is it so hard to believe someone can be born being attracted to different people than you?
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So rare occurrences of people being born with abnormalities and primates are your basis of understanding? While choosing to not acknowledge the common sense that is in front of you? It's not difficult for me to know why. CS Lewis said it best, "When emotion becomes thought all nonsense is possible." I apologize for not agreeing with your opinion.
 
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VOLout8 said:
I agree Christians struggle with homosexuality and they are no different than a man who struggles with pornography. There are facts behind being born heterosexual. Simply put the human body was designed to reproduce that way. Not by chance but by design. Not just in the fact that body parts were, chromosomes, DNA, ect. Everyone can agree that a father and mother bring something to the home emotionally for their kids. Without one the child must look else where to find that void. If you are a Christian your Bible also says that. If you took away a gay person saying it then there would be no basis.
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Ok let me use a fact I feel 100% about. Men have been born as women, and women have been born as men. This happens because of some mix-up in their chromosomes. What are saying is if Nature was 'perfect'. It's not.

Also I disagree with the comparison of 'porn' and 'homosexuality'. You are comparing an addiction to someone's true sexuality. Can you imagine having to give up being straight? I can't give it up, but I sure can give up porn or any addiction I have with enough work. There is no amount of work that would make me give up my sexuality.

Darth_Shiveman said:
So did the rest of the book, how can one pick as choose?
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Great question. The church has been doing that forever by taking books out of the bible.

ric1958 said:
"Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction. No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous. Homosexuality is an adaptation, no an inborn trait."

- Lesbian activist Camille Paglia.
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Sexuality doesn't go hand in hand with reproduction, so I disagree with this strongly. I been 'fixed' for almost 14 years, and I'm still having tons of sex.

Design again is not perfect as was stated before.
 
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VOLout8 said:
So rare occurrences of people being born with abnormalities and primates are your basis of understanding? While choosing to not acknowledge the common sense that is in front of you? It's not difficult for me to know why. CS Lewis said it best, "When emotion becomes thought all nonsense is possible." I apologize for not agreeing with your opinion.
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Ah yes, common sense. The kind of sense that doesn't come from fancy things like "research" or "case studies" or "books." You pretty much ignored the other evidences I referenced.

Also, humans are primates too. We're
A member of the Ape family and share 99.8 percent of our DNA with chimps and bonobos. But homosexuality often occurs naturally in other animals too.

Funny that the quote you picked works better for yourself than for me.

And you don't have to apologize for disagreeing. Ignorance is as much of a right as voting.
 
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ric1958 said:
The key word.
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Let's take crap from rednecks, live in fear of being outed, have your parents disown you, be damned to hell by many, be discriminated at work, not be able to marry your partner in most states, and have to justify our lifestyle on a daily basis because they 'choose to'. They must be wanting the attention.
 
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Vol Karma said:
Let's take crap from rednecks, live in fear of being outed, have your parents disown you, be damned to hell by many, be discriminated at work, not be able to marry your partner in most states, and have to justify our lifestyle on a daily basis because they 'choose to'. They must be wanting the attention.
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Surely almost everybody here grew up with at least one person who never left this question to doubt. Didn't everybody have that classmate who spent recess playing pat-a-cake and gossiping with the girls instead of playing football with the boys?

Hell, I had a classmate like this and everybody else realized he was gay before he did.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Ah yes, common sense. The kind of sense that doesn't come from fancy things like "research" or "case studies" or "books." You pretty much ignored the other evidences I referenced.

Also, humans are primates too. We're
A member of the Ape family and share 99.8 percent of our DNA with chimps and bonobos. But homosexuality often occurs naturally in other animals too.

Funny that the quote you picked works better for yourself than for me.

And you don't have to apologize for disagreeing. Ignorance is as much of a right as voting.
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This conversation will end up going no where. We obviously have very different ideals and beliefs. Calling someone ignorant because they don't believe your opinion is ironic in every sense. Have a wonderful day sir.
 
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I don't have a desire to get in a debate about this issue, because I don't think it's productive at all to get too deep into the details. So I'll just say this little piece and be done with it.


We are all sinners. Every last one of us. We all deal with sin and things that continually trip us up. Lord knows I have mine. There are all types of sins, but one thing is clear: anything against God is wrong, but we can be forgiven by God from our sins. To that end, this is not a man vs. man discussion, but God vs. man.

So my prayer is that every person may know the freedom that comes through Jesus already being punished for our sins. Yes, I am a Christian. Yes, I still sin even though I don't want to (and I will as long as I have a selfish, earthly body). But yes, I am free from being a slave to my sins forevermore and any one person or any lifestyle out there can have the same.
 
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VOLout8 said:
This conversation will end up going no where. We obviously have very different ideals and beliefs. Calling someone ignorant because they don't believe your opinion is ironic in every sense. Have a wonderful day sir.
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Ignorant as in lacking knowledge (whether by choice or not) is different from calling someone stupid.

And none of the things I posted are "opinions." Believing homosexuality is a sin is an opinion. Thinking Yazzoo beer is the best in the state is an opinion. Disagreeing with scientific evidences and studies is selective ignorance.

2+2=5 isn't an opinion. It's just wrong. No matter how much Big Brother tells you on Sundays.
 
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Okay, I tried to stay out of the conversation. My opinion is mine, so I will keep it to myself.

However, I spent 21-years in the militray, retired, and then came back for the last 2-years as a DoD civilian. If the US Military can accept homosexuals (and we do with respect mind you), then there is no other organization that has grounds from which to preach except those that are faith based.

You don't have to agree with homosexuality, but we can all preach and learn acceptance and respect for each individual regardless of their sexual preferences.
 
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TNVolsScott said:
Okay, I tried to stay out of the conversation. My opinion is mine, so I will keep it to myself.

However, I spent 21-years in the militray, retired, and then came back for the last 2-years as a DoD civilian. If the US Military can accept homosexuals (and we do with respect mind you), then there is no other organization that has grounds from which to preach except those that are faith based.

You don't have to agree with homosexuality, but we can all preach and learn acceptance and respect for each individual regardless of their sexual preferences.
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Thanks for your service. What branch?
 
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TNVolsScott said:
Okay, I tried to stay out of the conversation. My opinion is mine, so I will keep it to myself.

However, I spent 21-years in the militray, retired, and then came back for the last 2-years as a DoD civilian. If the US Military can accept homosexuals (and we do with respect mind you), then there is no other organization that has grounds from which to preach except those that are faith based.

You don't have to agree with homosexuality, but we can all preach and learn acceptance and respect for each individual regardless of their sexual preferences.
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Preach.
 
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