There will be a reckoning.....count on it.

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duuuuuuuuuuuuude said:
Well, volzfanz, aren't you a charming thing? I'll try to respond to you with the civility you didn't deign to show me.

Look, I graduated from the University of Tennessee -- twice. I'm a member of the class of '99 and saw Peyton play live and in person, and was there when the Vols won the national championship. Watching the Vols play -- not just football, but baseball, and men's and women's basketball -- was a major part of my college experience. I think athletics are an integral part of the University. I'm posting on a football message board, for God's sake, so I think it's safe to say that I'm not anti-athletics.

But when people start saying -- as you have -- that the Chancellor of the University ought to be fired because you don't like our new head coach, well, that's ridiculous. You're talking about the person who's responsible for UTK's eleven colleges, and the 28,000 students who are enrolled in them, and the thousands of faculty and staff who make the whole thing go. Our university system faces challenges that are more severe than it's ever faced: Over the last half-dozen years, our state legislature has cut tens of millions of dollars from the university's budget. The percentage of our state's population that has a college degree is significantly below the national average. Those are the things that I want my Chancellor to spend his time addressing, and his ability to tackle those issues are the reasons he ought to be hired, fired or retained.

So for you to suggest that the athletic side of the house ought to have the power to up-end all that, and fire the man with those responsibilities, is insane. It's the tail wagging the dog. You talk about the financial impact of football on the university -- but what about the financial impact of education on the state? I must have missed it when Boeing and BMW and Michelin said they were locating in South Carolina because of the Gamecocks. Yeah, football is awesome and contributes to the university, but don't ever confuse it with real life.

It's just not true that you can't have strong academics and successful athletics -- I listed a bunch of programs, public and private, that have done just that. Now if you want to have a reasonable discussion about where that line ought to be drawn, that's cool, and maybe I'll participate. But that's a different animal than saying that there ought to be "nuclear winter throughout the UT administration" because you don't like Butch Jones.

Now, you can respond to that like a decent human being, or you can continue name-calling. I know which one my money's on.
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Your the scholar so I assume you read. I never, ever said I didn't like the new coach. Your snippy-a** attitude has once again caused you to open your mouth and insert your foot. I said that increasing academic requirements at THIS school, with its other disadvantages like geography, will make you less competitive on the field and deeper in debt for those great facilities that you have to have to stay competitive. Then you help to facilitate the firing of your coach because the team isnt competitive. I feel confident that top coaches, assistants, and recruits will want to be at a university that is committed to excellence on the field. There is obviously a gap between academics and athletics in our school, as shown on this board. I was simply stating that there should have been a compromise before it got to this point. And if cheek is the leader then he should have had the foresight to know these things. But all that people like you see is that a bunch of jocks want to ruin our school. Typical response with absolutely no way to compromise or appreciate anyone else's opinion.
 
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#52
I think Hart, Cheek, and Jones fate go hand and hand. If Jones fails and Neyland is empty, boosters will make their presence known. They will pull their support. I am sure many have already. The football program is too valuable to allow it to falter. Cheek wants UT to be Vandy. He should find a job at an Ivy League school. I am surprised he hasn't tried to move UT to the ACC. Both should be fired!
 
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These da*n academic horn tooters all supposedly graduated from UT and are so intelligent with their "second rate" education. Wake the f*** up. Without a doubt the athletic program is the number one reason for this schools prestige, notariety, size, attendance, financial security, national brand, etc, etc, etc. Tennessee football is likely the most well know thing from this entire state and you have the arrogance to scoff at it.You dont need to be a scholar to know that. Even someone with a second rate education should be able to understand.
 
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Simply stated:
One failure is the fault of the individual.
Multiple failures are a fault of the organization.
 
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Im sure your ecstatic about this hire.....at least now. Your surely proud of how it all happened, and I know you appreciate the embarassment brought onto the school by the entire process.
 
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DjCrenshaw said:
Then go to the education thread. I did my masters on the stanford graduation rate. Pretty impressive, yet I would bet that their rate has dropped with the current success.
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Stanford is the only one out there who has had success doing things the way these Drake Group idiots want Tennessee to operate. They once turned down a football player with a 1380 SAT and a 3.6 GPA. I haven't seen anything like that before or since.

It pays to note, however, that Stanford is not the SEC and no one in this conference could operate as Stanford does and hope to have a prayer fielding a profitable athletics program.

Notre Dame is winning again in large part because they have gone back to student-athlete admissions standards as they existed under Lou Holtz and Dan Devine. Those admissions standards are considerably lower for student-athletes at NDU than they are for the student body as a whole.

Someone cited Florida as an example of a program with great athletics and academics. Florida is a fine university. No doubt about it. But people are extremely naive if they believe UF holds student-athletes to the same standards they set for non-athletes. It doesn't work that way for UF and it doesn't work that way in the SEC.

Even Vandy softened their position on this issue. James Franklin operates under the same standards now that George McIntyre enjoyed using the Peabody loophole to get kids in. Thus far, I haven't seen the latitude given to Franklin on this matter impact the reputation of Vanderbilt as an academic institution.

It doesn't make sense for people to believe that somehow making it more difficult for Tennessee to admit student-athletes will improve the general ability of our teams to compete, the reputation of their university as a whole, or the value of their degree in particular.
 
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There will be a reckoning huh, we gonna "reap the whirlwind" Why don't you spout some more western bull crap somewhere else Copernicus. The grown ups are getting weary of your constant *****ing......
 
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WhiteRhino said:
There will be a reckoning huh, we gonna "reap the whirlwind" Why don't you spout some more western bull crap somewhere else Copernicus. The grown ups are getting weary of your constant *****ing......
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No energy left for you. Im sure you too enjoyed how all this was handled and you feel hart did an excellent job from beginning to end. Blah, blah, blah. Go to another thread and be a smarta**.
 
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I can appreciate that everyone wants to have a united front and move on. I agree. But to not see that this entire process was handled badly is just not being honest. If this is Dave Hart's idea of a job well done then I pity all those who count on him for anything.
 
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volzfanz said:
I can appreciate that everyone wants to have a united front and move on. I agree. But to not see that this entire process was handled badly is just not being honest. If this is Dave Hart's idea of a job well done then I pity all those who count on him for anything.
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Please tell us, O Great and Powerful Oz, what the process was. And spare us the fairytale about how Jon Gruden was dying to come here until mean old Dave Hart and his band of flying monkeys told him he couldn't.

The fact is you don't know dick about the process. You're just regurgitating a bunch of rumors posted on this board, 99% of which have been conclusively disproven.
 
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Im not bad mouthing the coach. He's about what I expected and prob the best option left. He is obviously glad to be here and thats great. Im disgusted with the hiring process. Being publiy ridiculed by everyone in the country for being turned down by everyone we offered to. We were the last big school to make a hire and everyone knows he wasnt even on our long list, much less the short one. Its not who we got.....its how we got him.
 
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duuuuuuuuuuuuude said:
Please tell us, O Great and Powerful Oz, what the process was. And spare us the fairytale about how Jon Gruden was dying to come here until mean old Dave Hart and his band of flying monkeys told him he couldn't.

The fact is you don't know dick about the process. You're just regurgitating a bunch of rumors posted on this board, 99% of which have been conclusively disproven.
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Easy there killer. Im not a gruden lover. Just tell me that you werent embarassed with the media coverage. Or the length of time it took. Or the ridicule of being turned down multiple times. I know its just my opinion but Im not alone.
 
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I'm not worried about Hart giving Jones the support he needs to do his job. If he decides to stick around, then his fate is directly tied to Jones' success. The fact he's gotten some concessions out of the anti-athletics forces is a sign of the direction he'll be moving in soon to support Jones.

I remain worried about the Bensel-Meyers Mafia currently running roughshod over the Thornton Center. They are not interested in athletic competition and will work to neuter athletics at Tennessee unless they are checked by the Chancellor.
 
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T.N. Buckingham said:
I'm not worried about Hart giving Jones the support he needs to do his job. If he decides to stick around, then his fate is directly tied to Jones' success. The fact he's gotten some concessions out of the anti-athletics forces is a sign of the direction he'll be moving in soon to support Jones.

I remain worried about the Bensel-Meyers Mafia currently running roughshod over the Thornton Center. They are not interested in athletic competition and will work to neuter athletics at Tennessee unless they are checked by the Chancellor.
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Be careful on here. These people are serious about their academics.
 
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#72
1st question:
When was it first known that we could be making a change in coaching?

Kentucky last yr ??
Missouri this yr ??
Not until vandy ??
 
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T.N. Buckingham said:
I'm not worried about Hart giving Jones the support he needs to do his job. If he decides to stick around, then his fate is directly tied to Jones' success. The fact he's gotten some concessions out of the anti-athletics forces is a sign of the direction he'll be moving in soon to support Jones.

I remain worried about the Bensel-Meyers Mafia currently running roughshod over the Thornton Center. They are not interested in athletic competition and will work to neuter athletics at Tennessee unless they are checked by the Chancellor.
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cheek is gonna have to decide on his stance as it pertains to athletics.
 
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volzfanz said:
duuuuude lets have a real rational discussion. Is that possible?
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What the hell. Why not?

What academic standard - specifically - do you find objectionable? Which point in the Drake Group's four-point plan do you think impeded our coaching search the most, and why? What do you think about the incident involving Linda Bensel-Myers, and what do you think UT's institutional response should have been?
 
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T.N. Buckingham said:
Stanford is the only one out there who has had success doing things the way these Drake Group idiots want Tennessee to operate. They once turned down a football player with a 1380 SAT and a 3.6 GPA. I haven't seen anything like that before or since.

It pays to note, however, that Stanford is not the SEC and no one in this conference could operate as Stanford does and hope to have a prayer fielding a profitable athletics program.

Notre Dame is winning again in large part because they have gone back to student-athlete admissions standards as they existed under Lou Holtz and Dan Devine. Those admissions standards are considerably lower for student-athletes at NDU than they are for the student body as a whole.

Someone cited Florida as an example of a program with great athletics and academics. Florida is a fine university. No doubt about it. But people are extremely naive if they believe UF holds student-athletes to the same standards they set for non-athletes. It doesn't work that way for UF and it doesn't work that way in the SEC.

Even Vandy softened their position on this issue. James Franklin operates under the same standards now that George McIntyre enjoyed using the Peabody loophole to get kids in. Thus far, I haven't seen the latitude given to Franklin on this matter impact the reputation of Vanderbilt as an academic institution.

It doesn't make sense for people to believe that somehow making it more difficult for Tennessee to admit student-athletes will improve the general ability of our teams to compete, the reputation of their university as a whole, or the value of their degree in particular.
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so duuuuuude, would you like to comment on this. Looks like maybe you arent the scholar after all. Hmmmmm interesting........
 
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