this will happen to America

#78
#78
Ed12111 said:
Negative for who? Interesting to hear you claim government regulation of the labor supply is better for you.
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So if a illegal immigrate receives healthcare, food stamps, government housing, and pays no taxes who pays for it?
 
#80
#80
BeecherVol said:
So if a illegal immigrate receives healthcare, food stamps, government housing, and pays no taxes who pays for it?
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Well, now you're conflating two issues. No illegal immigrant pays no taxes anyway. You're missing the point though, if illegal immigrants could magically avoid paying any taxes then why would it benefit anyone to have them classified as illegal.
 
#82
#82
volinbham said:
I do too but don't believe the climate change is a dangerous as it's proponents suggest. Still, being green doesn't hurt (within limits).

Interestingly, Al Gore just came out against ethanol. We are in the ethanol business as deep as we are partly because of GW concerns and fully because the government decided it was a good idea - turns out they were off on that one.
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Honestly, I can't comment on climate change because I don't know enough about it. However, if 97% of scientists with enough knowledge in that area believe it to be real, I believe them. I just don't think anyone knows the impact it'll have yet.
 
#83
#83
The ethanol business from corn is the product of opportunists and strong lobbyists in the agricultural industry. The scientific community has been unenthusiastic about using food for fuel since the beginning.
 
#84
#84
IPorange said:
The ethanol business from corn is the product of opportunists and strong lobbyists in the agricultural industry. The scientific community has been unenthusiastic about using food for fuel since the beginning.
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Absolutely.
 
#85
#85
Ed12111 said:
Well, now you're conflating two issues. No illegal immigrant pays no taxes anyway. You're missing the point though, if illegal immigrants could magically avoid paying any taxes then why would it benefit anyone to have them classified as illegal.
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Basically you won't address the question.


If an illegal immigrate goes to the ER who pays for it?
 
#86
#86
Ed12111 said:
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:eek:k:

thought·less   
[thawt-lis] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
lacking in consideration for others; inconsiderate; tactless: a thoughtless remark.
2.
characterized by or showing lack of thought: a shallow, thoughtless book.
3.
not thinking enough; careless or heedless: thoughtless of his health.
4.
devoid of or lacking capacity for thought.


Most of those fit my point.:hi:
 
#87
#87
BeecherVol said:
Basically you won't address the question.


If an illegal immigrate goes to the ER who pays for it?
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Now who's sidestepping. If an illegal immigrant goes to the ER and can't afford to pay, it's paid for the exact same way as if anyone else goes to the ER. What that has to do with whether a national boundary is a libertarian ideal...?
 
#88
#88
BeecherVol said:
:eek:k:

thought·less   
[thawt-lis] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
lacking in consideration for others; inconsiderate; tactless: a thoughtless remark.
2.
characterized by or showing lack of thought: a shallow, thoughtless book.
3.
not thinking enough; careless or heedless: thoughtless of his health.
4.
devoid of or lacking capacity for thought.


Most of those fit my point.:hi:
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It's easier to manifest careful thought when someone else foots the bill?
 
#89
#89
Ed12111 said:
Well, now you're conflating two issues. No illegal immigrant pays no taxes anyway. You're missing the point though, if illegal immigrants could magically avoid paying any taxes then why would it benefit anyone to have them classified as illegal.
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Who is talking about the labor supply, but you? Stop trying to manufacture topics.
 
#90
#90
Ed12111 said:
Now who's sidestepping. If an illegal immigrant goes to the ER and can't afford to pay, it's paid for the exact same way as if anyone else goes to the ER. What that has to do with whether a national boundary is a libertarian ideal...?
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So that was in my bill when I took my daughter.:eek:k:
 
#92
#92
lumberjack4 said:
Who is talking about the labor supply, but you? Stop trying to manufacture topics.
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Wow. People disagreed that having national boundaries is not a libertarian ideal. I pointed out it's not because it is a government restriction on the labor supply. What part isn't clicking?
 
#93
#93
BeecherVol said:
So that was in my bill when I took my daughter.:eek:k:
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What does that mean? Could you not afford to pay? Or are you complaining that you had to pay extra for those other people? Either way it doesn't have anything to do with illegal immigrants.
 
#94
#94
Ed12111 said:
What does that mean? Could you not afford to pay? Or are you complaining that you had to pay extra for those other people? Either way it doesn't have anything to do with illegal immigrants.
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He says he has to foot the bill for those that can't pay.
 
#96
#96
Ed12111 said:
What does that mean? Could you not afford to pay? Or are you complaining that you had to pay extra for those other people? Either way it doesn't have anything to do with illegal immigrants.
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If those "other people" are illegal immigrants feel free to be thoughtful for me.:hi:
 
#97
#97
Ed12111 said:
Wow. People disagreed that having national boundaries is not a libertarian ideal. I pointed out it's not because it is a government restriction on the labor supply. What part isn't clicking?
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Firstly, the Libertarians are split on this equal, its not the stance of the Libertarians that all national borders be dissolved. Secondly, no where in this progression of posts has anyone talked about the Libertarian stance on national borders and labor supply.
 
#98
#98
BeecherVol said:
If those "other people" are illegal immigrants feel free to be thoughtful for me.:hi:
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What if I were to magically wave my hand and make them legal immigrants. How does that change anything? Unless there is a certain attribute you believe illegal immigrants to possess that makes you less likely to care for them.
 
#99
#99
Ed12111 said:
That was my guess, but I'm not sure what that has to do with the legality of immigrants.
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If they don't pay, then hospitals have to raise the costs of those that do pay to cover the charges made by the immigrants that didn't pay. Pretty simple.
 
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