Transgender athlete wants to burn the us flag

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AshG said:
Your response is exactly why they do it.

If people only protested in ways that everyone could easily ignore or feel good about, it wouldn't be a protest.

Do I agree with flag burning? Oh heck no. I'm a Flag Code guy through and through. But I understand its efficacy at getting others' attention.
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The problem being they're more likely to get a negative reaction, and not sympathy for their cause.
 
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AshG said:
Your response is exactly why they do it.

If people only protested in ways that everyone could easily ignore or feel good about, it wouldn't be a protest.

Do I agree with flag burning? Oh heck no. I'm a Flag Code guy through and through. But I understand its efficacy at getting others' attention.
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I disagree with your very first sentence. They do it because they are mentally ill.

I have a right to do all types of things, but dont do them because they are not in my best interest.
 
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utvolpj said:
Believing the consequence for free speech shouldn't be assault isn't hiding behind anything. It should be a widely held belief
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A man begins to verbally berate your wife, what do you do? Turn to her and argue for his freedom of speech? Just curious to how you would respond?
 
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For those of you on the right, you all do realize this is juts clout chasing, right? They are going to continue to do stunts like this as long as you all go apoplectic.

For those on the left, this is getting ole and unimaginative and trivializes whatever cause you are trying to draw attention to. Burning a flag or taking a knee pretty soon will lose all of its shock value. Then what?
 
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allvol123 said:
I disagree with your very first sentence. They do it because they are mentally ill.
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Everyone I disagree with is mentally ill seems to be a common refrain around here.

Maybe we should invest in large scale counseling and mental health initiatives if our country is so full of sick people.
 
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golfballs said:
Maybe “she’ll” land on the crossbar and injure a testicle and be forced to withdrawal before putting her mental illness on display for whoever watches women ride bikes
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Or a stick in the spokes, makes this a mute point.
 
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0nelilreb said:
I love it when people hide behind free speech and think there’s no consequences to the things they can say or do . Can you do or say it ?.. absolutely and I defend your right to, should you do or say it? That’s up to you . I also would defend his right to exercise his free will . 🤷‍♂️
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I'm going to put a bookmark on this post and go back and see if you have any comments from the past that defend cancel culture or social media attacks on conservatives over what they have said.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
You've never wanted to watch a douchebag get punched? Burning your nation's flag at the ceremony would definitely constitute a douch-move. Free speech or not, sometimes it is satisfying to watch someone get their comeuppance.
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What kind of world are we living in right now.... Trump was a douchebag. How many people in here would defend a person punching him?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm going to put a bookmark on this post and go back and see if you have any comments from the past that defend cancel culture or social media attacks on conservatives over what they have said.
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While you are perusing my 23, 700+ posts , see if I’ve ever said I would defend anyone and everyone’s right to free speech and free will . Might want to check and see if I mention “consequences and repercussions “ of both , since it’s one of my favorite quotes .
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What kind of world are we living in right now.... Trump was a douchebag. How many people in here would defend a person punching him?
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I'll never defend someone who physically assaults someone else, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't sometimes be satisfying to watch.
 
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McDad said:
Give him a thumbs up behind her back for having the balls to say what I am afraid to say.
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Laugh at the fact that my wife knows 27 ways to kill someone just using her pinky and knowing the rage that boiling up inside her ? At some point he’s going to need my help 😂
 
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Weezer said:
The problem being they're more likely to get a negative reaction, and not sympathy for their cause.
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This.

I'm staunchly pro-2A but I've never had much positive to say about people that want to "make a statement" by lugging rifles into the local Chili's.
 
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hndog609 said:
This.

I'm staunchly pro-2A but I've never had much positive to say about people that want to "make a statement" by lugging rifles into the local Chili's.
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I have taken to carrying a broadsword or halberd myself. Gets even more respect
 
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SamRebel35 said:
I'll never defend someone who physically assaults someone else, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't sometimes be satisfying to watch.
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I have and it was to one of my closest and dearest friends I would gladly stand beside against anyone . My words to him was .. your smart a$$ deserved it . Hell my dads favorite thing to ask me when I was a teenager and getting into fights was ..” what happened to you , did you let your mocking bird mouth overload your humming bird a$$ again?”
 
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Weezer said:
A man begins to verbally berate your wife, what do you do? Turn to her and argue for his freedom of speech? Just curious to how you would respond?
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So a man verbally assaults my wife and you want to know how I'd react?

How far you taking those goal posts?
 
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allvol123 said:
Effective how? Taking people that disagree with them already and doubling down so they really dont like you.
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There are people in the middle. Some of whom may not even like the flag burning itself. But then they also see the backlash, and think it's worse than the act. And with the attention previously generated, people are more likely to be pay attention for the act than they would have otherwise.

This will shift some public opinion. Not sure how much, but more than would have otherwise if people didnt freak out.
 
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AshG said:
Everyone I disagree with is mentally ill seems to be a common refrain around here.

Maybe we should invest in large scale counseling and mental health initiatives if our country is so full of sick people.
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Agree on the mental health initiatives, but mentally ill transgenders make up a very small portion of the US population, so saying "the country is full of sick people" is a little dramatic.
 
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AshG said:
Everyone I disagree with is mentally ill seems to be a common refrain around here.

Maybe we should invest in large scale counseling and mental health initiatives if our country is so full of sick people.
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Wait maybe we should invest in them ? As in we don’t already ? Oh yes we do heavily .
 
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LouderVol said:
There are people in the middle. Some of whom may not even like the flag burning itself. But then they also see the backlash, and think it's worse than the act. And with the attention previously generated, people are more likely to be pay attention for the act than they would have otherwise.

This will shift some public opinion. Not sure how much, but more than would have otherwise if people didnt freak out.
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What backlash?

Pay attention to what? Actions of mentally unstable people.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Berate is not assault . I don’t think he’s the one trying to more the goal posts .
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Then we turn around and walk away. How is there any other answer?

The safety of myself and my family is more important than trying to be done mythical alpha who fights all who dare oppose
 
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utvolpj said:
Then we turn around and walk away. How is there any other answer?

The safety of myself and my family is more important than trying to be done mythical alpha who fights all who dare oppose
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That was what he asked , what would you do in that instance . I believe it’s just how you look at things , if you choose to think someone should be speaking to your family members that way ( unprovoked) without consequences, then you will inject yourself into the coversative and make that known and what your expectations are when addressing them . If you chose not to then it’s also just a personal choice .
 
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