UNC and Duke Basketball, 2015-16

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RDU VOL#14 said:
I would rather my team kick out the leg on threes and try to force a call or flop than have them be coached to hold the ball like a punk ass ***** for more than half the game.

That means exactly what you think it means UNC fans.
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"We might be dirty players but at least we aren't as bad as those people taking advantage of stupid rules"
 
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VKAman said:
Do you think James Harden and Manu Ginobili are dirty players because they flop?
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The question is do you think Duke has a history of floppers? Or dirty players?

I don't really care either way. Just thought your logic was bad on the post before.
 
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LittleCat said:
The question is do you think Duke has a history of floppers? Or dirty players?

I don't really care either way. Just thought your logic was bad on the post before.
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I think those are two very different things. Saying, "Grayson Allen tripped someone, and Duke players flop, so obviously they're taught to trip people" is stupid.

If they're taught to draw fouls, that is and should be totally meaningless to anyone but Carolina fans looking for a reason to be angry. If you think they're taught to hurt people, then be ready to address the gigantic holes (to put it nicely) in that line of thinking, because that's a pretty serious allegation.
 
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VKAman said:
I think those are two very different things. Saying, "Grayson Allen tripped someone, and Duke players flop, so obviously they're taught to trip people" is stupid.
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That's why I put them separate and didn't use "and". Flopping and tripping (or whatever someone deems "dirty") are different.
 
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VKAman said:
Yeah, I was more paraphrasing what volprof said.
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Gotcha.

Fwiw, I don't really care about the whole flopping/dirty whatever you want to call it. Duke plays hard. They win a lot. All that matters really rather than a kid making a mistake or two.
 
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So, I'm expected to believe that UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, and other major college programs exhibit this kind of behavior over the years?

Never said they were the dirtiest program in America. Never said they were doing anything like a "Bounty Gate," which is absurd. Your attempt at rationalizing Duke's uncouth on-the-court antics are off pace. The title of "dirtiest program" is too difficult to qualify.

I understand the denial though. It's hard for fans. It was hard for UNC fans (and some are still in denial) concerning our academic fraud (although I think nothing will come of it doesn't mean that I don't think some shady things occurred).

Now let Allen sit the first minute or two of the Pitt game and just let it all slide. Meanwhile, more Allens will come in the future.
 
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volprof said:
So, I'm expected to believe that UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, and other major college programs exhibit this kind of behavior over the years?

Never said they were the dirtiest program in America. Never said they were doing anything like a "Bounty Gate," which is absurd. Your attempt at rationalizing Duke's uncouth on-the-court antics are off pace. The title of "dirtiest program" is too difficult to qualify.

I understand the denial though. It's hard for fans. It was hard for UNC fans (and some are still in denial) concerning our academic fraud (although I think nothing will come of it doesn't mean that I don't think some shady things occurred).

Now let Allen sit the first minute or two of the Pitt game and just let it all slide. Meanwhile, more Allens will come in the future.
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Which kind of behavior? Are you talking about flopping, are you talking about tripping people, or are you still trying to act like they're the same thing?
 
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Anyhow, I've been giving consideration to my end of the year accolades for ACC play. Currently, my list of awards go to the following:

1. Player of the Year - UNC's Brice Johnson
2. Most Improved - Duke's Grayson Allen
3. Best Newcomer - Duke's Brandon Ingram

I haven't watched the league closely enough to say who wins any of the particular position awards, but I imagine the three players above would be at the top of those lists.
 
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This UVA game reminded me fairly early on of the Louisville game earlier in the season. Just never got the sense we were going to win it, even when we tied it up for a short interval in the second half. Beating a team like UVA on the road is hard enough, and it is especially hard when you have a coach who insists on playing 20 guys a game, instead of concentrating on a solid core of contributors.
 
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volprof said:
This UVA game reminded me fairly early on of the Louisville game earlier in the season. Just never got the sense we were going to win it, even when we tied it up for a short interval in the second half. Beating a team like UVA on the road is hard enough, and it is especially hard when you have a coach who insists on playing 20 guys a game, instead of concentrating on a solid core of contributors.
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Bennett is the real deal. Young too. I wonder if he will stay or get poached by a traditional power.
 
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Regulator said:
This team is soooooooo frustrating.
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Yep. And Paige needs the ball in his hands (as a PG). Not only is he in the longest shooting slump I've ever seen, he drives the ball (one is his best attributes, remember the game winners against NCSU and Louisville?) a lot less playing the 2. Combine that with Berry II being on fire right now, it seems quite logical. But I have no confidence that Ol' Roy will compromise his preferred coaching style/system for the good of this team/season.
 
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Chuckie said:
Yep. And Paige needs the ball in his hands (as a PG). Not only is he in the longest shooting slump I've ever seen, he drives the ball (one is his best attributes, remember the game winners against NCSU and Louisville?) a lot less playing the 2. Combine that with Berry II being on fire right now, it seems quite logical. But I have no confidence that Ol' Roy will compromise his preferred coaching style/system for the good of this team/season.
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Yeah, he simply refuses to adapt. He refuses to macroadapt, by which I mean that he refuses to adapt his overall coaching approach to contemporary basketball (never seems to address 3 point shooting ever and rarely throws his recruiting stakes in with one and doners, etc.). He also refuses to microadapt, which is adapting within a season (he is capable of adapting within a game, but that is hit and miss; sometimes he does, and sometimes he doesn't).

The game has passed him by, because he's evidently just too stubborn to adjust. I don't think he's too stupid, not that he's a genius. I just think he's too prideful and stubborn. I think he's essentially trying to coach the game the way he thinks Dean Smith would have back in the 80s. I believe he'll ride out the NCAA concerns, and then I think he retires.

Hopefully the guy we hire next decides it's time for UNC to play some 2010s/20s basketball for a change, instead of like it's still 1982.
 
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