UNC and Duke Basketball, 2015-16

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volprof said:
I don't even like college baseball's rules, although they are a bit better. If the athlete is an adult, then they should be able to do what they want, just as a NBA franchise has the right to draft him or not. I understand why the NBA wants to use this rule so as to curtail financial waste and risk, but this should not come at the expenditure of one year of a athlete's productive athletic life, which is too short, as it is.

If NBA franchises are too afraid of the risk, then they just need to draft an upperclassmen that is already a proven commodity, although perhaps not as high reward. Likewise, if a graduating high school seniors are told that it is unlikely any franchise is currently willing to take the risk of drafting him in the lottery (in other words, he still has something to prove), then he should use at least one year of college to increase his market value.

It's as simple as that. This rule currently only benefits the wealthy owners while limiting the active earning careers of athletes. It's only one year, but that's a lot in an athlete's earning life.
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I completely agree. All the parties involved should be able to make that decision for themselves.
 
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VKAman said:
Yet another "how the hell is this a close game" game.
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I think UNC and Duke fans alike can all agree who the superior team is this year at least. It was clear the last game, and it's been clear again this game, yet Duke won the last one and is certainly not out of this one either, which highly resembles the first game.

Once again, I think this is a case of the Great Equalizer keeping otherwise unequal things, well, equal, as it does so well. Otherwise, by any other measurement, UNC should be up by 15-20 at the half.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Keep it within 2/3 possessions and let K out coach Roy the final 4 minutes. That's the only way Duke wins
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That, and for UNC to keep jacking up threes that everyone and their uncle's third cousin's insurance agent knows they aren't going to make.
 
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If Duke wants to win this game they'll have to play Plumlee and Jeter together a lot. When they were in for that short span Duke mounted a comeback. Duke just can't hang out Jackson, Johnson, and Meeks on the boards. There's no way Duke can win with Plumlee going 1v3 against those guys.

Also, I wish Luke would play as well as he does against UNC vs other teams.
 
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kid50 said:
If Duke wants to win this game they'll have to play Plumlee and Jeter together a lot. When they were in for that short span Duke mounted a comeback. Duke just can't hang out Jackson, Johnson, and Meeks on the boards. There's no way Duke can win with Plumlee going 1v3 against those guys.

Also, I wish Luke would play as well as he does against UNC vs other teams.
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Or, OR, just go to a zone
 
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I agree that wasn't intentional, but Jackson takes a forearm to the nose, gets bloodied, and the foul is on him?
 
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Regulator said:
I agree that wasn't intentional, but Jackson takes a forearm to the nose, gets bloodied, and the foul is on him?
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There were a couple of baffling calls that went against Duke in Chapel Hill, but that one against Jackson tonight may take the cake for this year's series. Calling a foul against a player for his face making contact with an opponent's elbow is one of the "most precious" things I've ever seen in a basketball game. I'm kind of surprised that neither announcer, especially Bilas (who is always objective), said anything about that.
 
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The Great Equalizer tried its damnedest tonight, but, alas, even it couldn't make up for a 35 plus rebound gap. Almost though. On a related note, despite UNC not executing very well, this is another sign to me that the game of basketball's ultimate destiny is to become like baseball, where the latter's "sabermetrics" dictates both in-game management and team structure. For instance, it may be more important in the future of college basketball that you have two or three guys who will statistically deliver you four or five three-pointers a night each rather than two or three guys who will statistically deliver you ten rebounds a night each. We may already be seeing this with Golden State. If not, though, I'm surprised no one has come up with this idea. It's so clearly the future of the game; just a matter of time.

Regarding the game, specifically, this is about the least impressed and least enthused with a win over Duke I think I've ever been. It almost feels like we lost. That game shouldn't have been finished within at least fifteen points between victor and loser. For the life of me, I cannot understand why Roy continues to allow them to jack up threes like they're Duke or something. That's not our strength, and it's not even Roy's game. Why? Why does he allow it? It almost cost us the game again tonight!

This worries me going into the conference and NCAA tournament.
 
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volprof said:
There were a couple of baffling calls that went against Duke in Chapel Hill, but that one against Jackson tonight may take the cake for this year's series. Calling a foul against a player for his face making contact with an opponent's elbow is one of the "most precious" things I've ever seen in a basketball game. I'm kind of surprised that neither announcer, especially Bilas (who is always objective), said anything about that.
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The call was bc he placed his hands on Ingram before his face touched Ingram's elbow. I hated the call bc I hate the fact that defenders can't even touch the offensive player without a foul being called. But if we're going for baffling/bad calls in this years series, the call on Grayson Allen tonight for the "undercut" on Johnson also has to be close to the top as well.
 
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Paige needs to see a sports psychologist.

Tar Heels are gonna be ousted when they run into a team that can defend the paint AND can shoot the 3.

Horribly one-dimensional.
 
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kid50 said:
The call was bc he placed his hands on Ingram before his face touched Ingram's elbow. I hated the call bc I hate the fact that defenders can't even touch the offensive player without a foul being called. But if we're going for baffling/bad calls in this years series, the call on Grayson Allen tonight for the "undercut" on Johnson also has to be close to the top as well.
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Speaking of Ted Cruz, it was great to see his attempt to draw a foul on that three point attempt flop turn against him so quickly. That was poetic justice, if ever there was any. Couldn't have happened against a better player and person.

That was about the only highlight of the night for me, besides the "whatever" win we picked up.
 
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volprof said:
Speaking of Ted Cruz, it was great to see his attempt to draw a foul on that three point attempt flop turn against him so quickly. That was poetic justice, if ever there was any. Couldn't have happened against a better player and person.

That was about the only highlight of the night for me, besides the "whatever" win we picked up.
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I bet it really upsets you that he's gonna be first team All-ACC and if it wasn't for Brice Johnson's two great games against Duke this year he'd be probably be POY too. As always, haters gonna hate.
 
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kid50 said:
I bet it really upsets you that he's gonna be first team All-ACC and if it wasn't for Brice Johnson's two great games against Duke this year he'd be probably be POY too. As always, haters gonna hate.
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Don't know about you but I think he's content on being a fan of the ACC champs as opposed to having the best player. Oh my bad, they have both. Haters gonna hate. :)
 
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volprof said:
The Great Equalizer tried its damnedest tonight, but, alas, even it couldn't make up for a 35 plus rebound gap. Almost though. On a related note, despite UNC not executing very well, this is another sign to me that the game of basketball's ultimate destiny is to become like baseball, where the latter's "sabermetrics" dictates both in-game management and team structure. For instance, it may be more important in the future of college basketball that you have two or three guys who will statistically deliver you four or five three-pointers a night each rather than two or three guys who will statistically deliver you ten rebounds a night each. We may already be seeing this with Golden State. If not, though, I'm surprised no one has come up with this idea. It's so clearly the future of the game; just a matter of time.

Regarding the game, specifically, this is about the least impressed and least enthused with a win over Duke I think I've ever been. It almost feels like we lost. That game shouldn't have been finished within at least fifteen points between victor and loser. For the life of me, I cannot understand why Roy continues to allow them to jack up threes like they're Duke or something. That's not our strength, and it's not even Roy's game. Why? Why does he allow it? It almost cost us the game again tonight!

This worries me going into the conference and NCAA tournament.
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Congrats on a good win. UNC has the better talent and won.
 
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volprof said:
The Great Equalizer tried its damnedest tonight, but, alas, even it couldn't make up for a 35 plus rebound gap. Almost though. On a related note, despite UNC not executing very well, this is another sign to me that the game of basketball's ultimate destiny is to become like baseball, where the latter's "sabermetrics" dictates both in-game management and team structure. For instance, it may be more important in the future of college basketball that you have two or three guys who will statistically deliver you four or five three-pointers a night each rather than two or three guys who will statistically deliver you ten rebounds a night each. We may already be seeing this with Golden State. If not, though, I'm surprised no one has come up with this idea. It's so clearly the future of the game; just a matter of time.
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Analytics have already started to take hold, and it's why so few players work on midrange jumpers at this point. It's all about the rim and the 3-point line. But one isn't better than the other; with too many shooters, you'll get crushed on the boards like Duke did. UNC just doesn't take advantage like they should.

The valuable guys are the ones that can give you both spacing and defense, but that's been the case for a little while now.
 
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kid50 said:
I bet it really upsets you that he's gonna be first team All-ACC and if it wasn't for Brice Johnson's two great games against Duke this year he'd be probably be POY too. As always, haters gonna hate.
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I admit when my guys are *******s. UNC Rasheed Wallace: ******* (today, not so much). N'Diaye: ******* (no clue where he is today). McCants: ******* (still a major *******).

Grayson Allen: *******. Will probably be an ******* for a long time.
 
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VKAman said:
Analytics have already started to take hold, and it's why so few players work on midrange jumpers at this point. It's all about the rim and the 3-point line. But one isn't better than the other; with too many shooters, you'll get crushed on the boards like Duke did. UNC just doesn't take advantage like they should.

The valuable guys are the ones that can give you both spacing and defense, but that's been the case for a little while now.
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I agree with you that guys who can do both (your LeBron James' wing types) are the most valuable. There's no denying that. However, given that most players will never be able to master both, you have the options of either choosing one over the other or striking a balance between the two. I don't claim to come with great knowledge of this, but it seems to me that we are increasingly living in an era wherein guys who can get you 10 rebs plus a game, with a few points sprinkled in, are a dime-a-dozen, whereas guys who can get you 4-5 plus threes a game (consistently) are more precious commodities.

Believe me, I don't like having to be the guy who constantly talks about three pointers, but I just feel like it's a fact of the game that we have only begun to prop. It took baseball over a century to figure out analytics; the three point shot in basketball is only roughly 30 years old now. For the majority of those 30 years it has mostly just been a novelty, but I think that is now changing. And programs like Duke and franchises like Golden State are leading the way.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Congrats on a good win. UNC has the better talent and won.
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Thank you.

And congratulations in advance on your next two or three straight ACC titles starting next season. We'll see you again at the top in a few years after we recover from our recent ****sville recruiting era.
 
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