UNC and Duke Basketball, 2015-16

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VKAman said:
I'm pretty sure Allen is gone. That team should be #1 anyway though, especially now that Kennard is better than I thought.
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He probably is, but since he's tweener with average PG skills and undersized for a SG he may grade out low in the draft and come back. I'm not sure what his plan was coming into college. Hopefully he's one of those kids who dream of playing at Duke one day and decides to stay all four years. If he doesn't though, Kennard will pick up where he left off. IMO Kennard is the best offensive player on the team he's just not consistent yet - 30 last game, 0 tonight.
 
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kid50 said:
He probably is, but since he's tweener with average PG skills and undersized for a SG he may grade out low in the draft and come back. I'm not sure what his plan was coming into college. Hopefully he's one of those kids who dream of playing at Duke one day and decides to stay all four years. If he doesn't though, Kennard will pick up where he left off. IMO Kennard is the best offensive player on the team he's just not consistent yet - 30 last game, 0 tonight.
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I like you. You're a good addition to this thread. Your sworn enemies are now Volprof and Av 12.
 
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Haha thanks. I only recently discovered this thread recently. I've been on this board for years and never knew about this one. I'll be sure to keep it civil with those guys. I try to call it like it is and unfortunately UNC has the deepest and most experienced squad this year even though they may not be as talented as other teams. Thankfully, they have Roy to screw it up somehow.
 
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kid50 said:
Haha thanks. I only recently discovered this thread recently. I've been on this board for years and never knew about this one. I'll be sure to keep it civil with those guys. I try to call it like it is and unfortunately UNC has the deepest and most experienced squad this year even though they may not be as talented as other teams. Thankfully, they have Roy to screw it up somehow.
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Welcome to the thread. Don't take anything too seriously.

Your Dukies should be just fine this year. Duke never has a down year with K there, except for the one year they did have a down year back in the 90s, and his back bizarrely gave out. You should end up with a 4 or 5 seed, like any other Duke team that loses almost all its talent from the year before, leaving everyone wondering how in the hell they even manage to win 10 games let alone 25.

So, where you from?
 
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volprof said:
Welcome to the thread. Don't take anything too seriously.

Your Dukies should be just fine this year. Duke never has a down year with K there, except for the one year they did have a down year back in the 90s, and his back bizarrely gave out. You should end up with a 4 or 5 seed, like any other Duke team that loses almost all its talent from the year before, leaving everyone wondering how in the hell they even manage to win 10 games let alone 25.

So, where you from?
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I have no doubts they'll be fine this year. I think they can become a good team of Amile comes back and either Chase Jeter or Sean Obi is able to step up in the next few games - will add good depth for when Amile comes back. I think they may end up with a 6-8 seed though. They'll lose some more games. As a reasonable fan I foresaw 5-7 losses this year, but now that Amile is out it'll like be 6-9. However, when it come tourney time I think they can make a run if they can start clicking.

I'm from Jackson, TN. Yourself?
 
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kid50 said:
I have no doubts they'll be fine this year. I think they can become a good team of Amile comes back and either Chase Jeter or Sean Obi is able to step up in the next few games - will add good depth for when Amile comes back. I think they may end up with a 6-8 seed though. They'll lose some more games. As a reasonable fan I foresaw 5-7 losses this year, but now that Amile is out it'll like be 6-9. However, when it come tourney time I think they can make a run if they can start clicking.

I'm from Jackson, TN. Yourself?
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Originally from NC, then TN and CA. Do you have a connection to the university or the state, or did you just come into being a Duke fan by other means?
 
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volprof said:
Originally from NC, then TN and CA. Do you have a connection to the university or the state, or did you just come into being a Duke fan by other means?
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Just by other means. Tennessee basketball was never really a thing in my household growing up like UT football was. My dad is a huge KY fan bc of his upbringing in NW TN on the KY border. When I just got into watching basketball it was when JJ Redick was at Duke and I just fell in love with everything Duke and been a fan ever since.
 
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@BlueDevilicious: Gen. Pop. ADHD incidence, 4-5%. Athletes 8-10%. UNC LD/ADHD incidence 38% for FB and 61% for two consecutive FB/WBB classes.

So this is how they're keeping them eligible now. Medical disability fraud.
 
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@BlueDevilicious: So, what's going on at UNC? LD/ADD eligibility has grown by 766% since 1990. Source: http://www.popecenter.org/acrobat/vickers-mar2010.pdf

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It's past time to drop a bunker buster in the Old Well and raze the Dean Dome. UNC needs a permanent timeout from varsity athletics.
 
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Chad Ford released a new big board today and he had Ingram at 2 to the Lakers and Allen at 26 to the Clippers. That's about expected for Ingram, but Allen continues to slide despite his consistent play this year. There's a chance he may stay due to this slide and the amount of good guards that may declare this year. Also, FWIW, I did not see any UNC players on this board but I may have overlooked them. I was surprised not to see Brice Johnson on there.
 
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kid50 said:
Chad Ford released a new big board today and he had Ingram at 2 to the Lakers and Allen at 26 to the Clippers. That's about expected for Ingram, but Allen continues to slide despite his consistent play this year. There's a chance he may stay due to this slide and the amount of good guards that may declare this year. Also, FWIW, I did not see any UNC players on this board but I may have overlooked them. I was surprised not to see Brice Johnson on there.
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That's because UNC doesn't put good players in the NBA anymore. I would say Dancing Danny Green is the best right now.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
That's because UNC doesn't put good players in the NBA anymore. I would say Dancing Danny Green is the best right now.
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This is partially true, which is one reason why I've long argued that Roy should take an approach to recruiting more like K and Calipari. Recruit players who should already be in the NBA, if not for a ridiculous, arbitrary rule, and make it look like you made them NBA-talent in the process. Then future top recruits, who are already NBA-ready, will think they have to continue to come to you to be made NBA-ready. It's smart really, even though it's obviously just one giant sham.
 
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volprof said:
This is partially true, which is one reason why I've long argued that Roy should take an approach to recruiting more like K and Calipari. Recruit players who should already be in the NBA, if not for a ridiculous, arbitrary rule, and make it look like you made them NBA-talent in the process. Then future top recruits, who are already NBA-ready, will think they have to continue to come to you to be made NBA-ready. It's smart really, even though it's obviously just one giant sham.
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I understand this side, but you have to be able to coach them up so that they are high draft picks. I also argue that Roy has tried this but there's instances when he gets highly rated guys and they come to him and often have to stay 2-3 in college only to have their draft stock tank. Harrison Barnes was the #1 rated player and had to stay 2 years bc he wasn't ready, James Michael McAdoo had to stay 3 I think, and Justin Jackson - that guy should be a lottery pick by the end of the year and he's not even in the 1st round. Personally, I just don't think Roy is a good coach and I fear the day when UNC realizes this and makes a move to get a better one.
 
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Justin Jackson is incredibly disappointing this year, especially after his freshman year seemed so promising; however, both Brice Johnson and Marcus Paige (with the exception of his last few games) have been far better than anyone ever would have thought. Outside of Jackson, it's also been a few years since Roy pulled a recruit that most analysts would expect as unquestionable NBA talent at least in the future. As far as Barnes and McAdoo are concerned, it's tough to tell. They've been manageable in the NBA, especially Barnes, but they haven't set the world on fire either. Is this merely a product of college coaching? Can NBA coaches not make players better? Golden State has been the best team in the NBA the past two seasons, so I assume they have good coaching. Similarly, we see guys who weren't really that good in college become stars in the NBA. Is this player development, or is it system? Maybe Barnes and McAdoo were just overrated out of high school. It's hard to say.

I'm not going to argue that Roy is a great coach or that he is a great developer of talent. I think he is a good coach, who is an average developer of talent. I don't think any of us should pretend, however, that Cal and K have some sort of secret to develop talent that the rest of coaches do not. They've recruited the best NBA-ready talent the past few years since the NBA rule has been in place, and they have sent players to the NBA accordingly. I don't think anything they've done in this regard has been exceptional; it just appears so.
 
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This year has seen the most losses by top 5 teams to this point in the season in history. While no one could anticipate that statistic directly, it should not be surprising. We were all anticipating this year to be one of strong parity, unlike last year. I think we have largely seen that thus far. I also think that UNC was given the slight preseason edge by most for a reason, and, so far, we've seen why. I think UNC still has a few games to lose, but they've appeared to be the strongest team (or at least the one with the most potential) thus far. The separation between them and number two at this point, however, is minimal and one reason why it is far from a given that UNC will win the title this year or even make it to the Final Four.

If I had to pick a (little past midseason) Final Four right now, where the best teams meet in the final, it would be UNC, Maryland, Oklahoma, and Kansas, with UNC and Maryland meeting in the final. (Obviously, straight chalk is pretty rare though.) Kansas has had a bad loss, but I don't put too much stock into right now. Similarly, I don't put too much stock into Villanova. I don't buy any teams from the Big East since that conference was ransacked by the Big 12 and the ACC.
 
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