Urban challenging Slive?

[Lawrence Wright]

Kiffin's comments may be whining, but to say he was untruthful is to show you don't know him and aren't paying attention. The man simply speaks his mind.

As for CUM's complaints about Tebow, they are more challenging to the SEC commissioner's office because they occurred after strong language about what the consequences of such actions would be.

I don't expect a Gator fan to understand how discipline works, but if you are 'the Man" and you "lay down the law" and someone (almost immediately thereafter)violates your law, you must discipline them with purpose (e.g. a lot more than a half-game suspension for trying to poke a kid's eyes out).

Kiffin's comments following the Bama game were based on his interpretation of the penalty for Cody removing his helmet, and interpretation we've since found to be incorrect based on the rules in place. I never said he was untruthful, only that he didn't have a legit beef because he didn't know the rules in that particular case, yet still went public with it.

As far as Meyer's punishment, I'm guessing anything less than a one game suspension by Slive is proof positive that there's a conspiracy to keep Florida's title hopes alive. Slive may very well make an example out of Meyer, who knows?

Again, different reality for different fan bases.

 

[orangeblooded2]

A different take.......


Slive calls urbie. "Hey urban we got to counter act all this attention from the ref scam we're running. Why don't you deflect the situation by creating another".

Urban listens as Slive lays it out. " I think you should criticise the officials and let me smack you on the wrist. I think that would be best to aid in covering up our master plan.

Urban responds. "The SEC Title and National Championship is on the line. We'll do what we have too. Call Nick and let him know."

Slive. "I'm Glad you agree. Damn that Kiffin".

 

[utmba93]

I think you have your facts wrong....nothing personal....

Meyer answered a question from Pat Dooley from the Gainesville Sun about the hit on Tebow.

The SEC brass caught wind of it and now they are reviewing Meyer's response to see if it warrants anything more than a fine or a reprimand based on the new letter of the law.

And I've gone record on this and several other message boards saying that Meyer should be reprimanded for his response about Tebow.

Reprimanded would be the sort of punishment Meyer himself would dish out after laying down the law that no player should try to poke another kid's eyes out and then having one of his stars do the same the following week. He's used half-game suspensions his entire time at UF. The idea is incremental punishment for continued disregard and neglect for the authority who laid down the law.

Meyer needs more than a reprimand. He got one game given to him. He needs to be punished with purpose. (I'd prefer to see a public flogging, but I'm trying to be realistic, here).

It's an opportune time for someone to teach CUM what real discipline is.

I don't think Slive has the backbone.

 

[OrangeBrownie]

Every coach had a legit beef about calls except Kiffin following the Bama game. But in Kiffin's defense few of us knew the Cody helmet removal was an automatic dead ball penalty. Then again I'm not a head coach in the SEC who's paid to know the rules. That said it's a stupid rule.

Using the refs as an excuse as to why he didn't call another play before Lincoln missed that last FG is a cop out. Just say you had confidence in your guy to make the kick, not that you were afraid to call plays because of what the refs MAY have called.

I expect the rules to be enforced equally, and it's Meyer's turn in the barrel. His comments about Tebow aren't nearly as harsh as what Kiffin said following the Bama game. I expect Meyer to be reprimanded and fined nonetheless.

Disagree. There were some phantom holding calls that pushed us back in FG range at least once.

It's not a cop out if it's the reason he did it. I had the same thought. A cop out would be refusing to give the other team any credit. Kiffin didn't do that. He gave bama credit for a good game. He was explaining this one coaching call. Once again, after saying this he put the blame on himself for not going for it, he was explaining his rationale

Meyer's comments about Tebow weren't bad. I have NO problem defending your players against bad calls. The only person who does have that problem is Slive so once again I just say that I'm waiting for a decision

 

[Lawrence Wright]

A fine. I don't think it's worthy of a suspension.

Personally I think its BS to suspend any coach for criticizing the refs and that's the main point

But if you're going to do it with one coach...you damn well better be ready to do it to another.

But what I've seen out of Slive regarding Meyer makes me unsure if he'd do anything.

Slive's statement after the Brandon Spikes suspension told me all I need to know about what he would do in this situation if he had his wishes. He wouldn't do anything. Everybody outside of Gainesville knew suspending him for a half was weak but Slive rushed to his immediate defense.

I don't like Meyer because he's our rival

I don't like Slive because I see him as playing favorites. He might not like Kiffin's smart mouth or comments, but he's gone very far to show that publicly and that's out of line if you're a commissioner of a conference

Had Spikes been ejected against UGA, he would have automatically suspended for half of the next game. He wasn't ejected, but definitely should have been, hence the rationale for the half game suspension. Was that enough given the circumstances? Again, it depends on your definition of reality. I think a 2-game suspension max would quiet some of the critics, but definitely not all.

I need you to explain to me why you think Slive is playing favorites with Meyer. Do you think Slive has a hand in the refs blowing all these calls? Were you disappointed in Slive reprimanding Kiffin the first time around based on his comments about Nu'Keese? Help me understand that one.

 

[OrangeBrownie]

I think you have your facts wrong....nothing personal....

Meyer answered a question from Pat Dooley from the Gainesville Sun about the hit on Tebow.

The SEC brass caught wind of it and now they are reviewing Meyer's response to see if it warrants anything more than a fine or a reprimand based on the new letter of the law.

And I've gone record on this and several other message boards saying that Meyer should be reprimanded for his response about Tebow.

If Meyer is simply reprimanded I'll have problems with it because once again Slive made a big fuss about how the next time it will be fines or suspensions. If Meyer is not fined than I'll have a HUGE problem

 

[utmba93]

Had Spikes been ejected against UGA, he would have automatically suspended for half of the next game. He wasn't ejected, but definitely should have been, hence the rationale for the half game suspension. Was that enough given the circumstances? Again, it depends on your definition of reality. I think a 2-game suspension max would quiet some of the critics, but definitely not all.

I need you to explain to me why you think Slive is playing favorites with Meyer. Do you think Slive has a hand in the refs blowing all these calls? Were you disappointed in Slive reprimanding Kiffin the first time around based on his comments about Nu'Keese? Help me understand that one.

The real point is that the SEC Commish is out of control. He either needs to sit down and shut up about our coach or start treating other SEC coaches with the same lack of respect he shows Lane.

What CLK says about UF is bulletin board talk for you--and that's how you used it the entire offseason. It's not coaches get 'put on report' crap for some SEC bureucracy to settle. Settle your beef with Kiffin on the field. That's football.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

If Meyer is simply reprimanded I'll have problems with it because once again Slive made a big fuss about how the next time it will be fines or suspensions. If Meyer is not fined than I'll have a HUGE problem

I'm cool with anything that doesn't involve Meyer being suspended. I don't think his comments warrant a suspension.

 

[OrangeBrownie]

I need you to explain to me why you think Slive is playing favorites with Meyer. Do you think Slive has a hand in the refs blowing all these calls? Were you disappointed in Slive reprimanding Kiffin the first time around based on his comments about Nu'Keese? Help me understand that one.

1. He initially reprimanded Kiffin for the following reason
"SEC Bylaw 10.5.1 clearly states that coaches and administrators shall refrain from directed public criticism of other member institutions, their staffs or players."

-Meyer after the game criticized Tennessee and Kiffin for "not playing to win the game"

Both coaches have criticized each other and the other institutions. Only one was reprimanded.

That's one example.

Combine that with the numerous calls favoring Meyer's team and you have to wonder

 

[Lawrence Wright]

The real point is that the SEC Commish is out of control. He either needs to sit down and shut up about our coach or start treating other SEC coaches with the same lack of respect he shows Lane.

What CLK says about UF is bulletin board talk for you--and that's how you used it the entire offseason. It's not coaches get 'put on report' crap for some SEC bureucracy to settle. Settle your beef with Kiffin on the field. That's football.

If Kiffin's comments were solely about football, I would agree with you. As it turns out, allegations regarding recruiting violations is serious business in the SEC.

Not knowing the actual rules while committing several secondary violations along the way, how did you expect the commissioner to respond?

Follow that up by inferring that there's a conspiracy to keep certain teams alive in the BCS title hunt. Should the commissioner just turn a blind eye to all that?

Kiffin has pretty much taken a bat to a bee hive with his comments, and you're wondering why he keeps getting stung.

 

[utmba93]

Had Spikes been ejected against UGA, he would have automatically suspended for half of the next game. He wasn't ejected, but definitely should have been, hence the rationale for the half game suspension. Was that enough given the circumstances? Again, it depends on your definition of reality. I think a 2-game suspension max would quiet some of the critics, but definitely not all.

I need you to explain to me why you think Slive is playing favorites with Meyer. Do you think Slive has a hand in the refs blowing all these calls? Were you disappointed in Slive reprimanding Kiffin the first time around based on his comments about Nu'Keese? Help me understand that one.

So bascially, Spikes got what he would have recieved had the referees made the right call, but UF didn't get the 15-yard penalty.

You can't watch that highlight and tell us that you really think a half-game suspension undoes the damage Spikes did to the game.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

So bascially, Spikes got what he would have recieved had the referees made the right call, but UF didn't get the 15-yard penalty.

You can't watch that highlight and tell us that you really think a half-game suspension undoes the damage Spikes did to the game.

Actually if you were paying attention I've said it several times. A 2-game suspension quiets the critics, and it's over and above what the NCAA rules call for following an ejection.

And it's a given a 15-yard penalty should have been called in addition to Spikes getting ejected.

 

[OrangeBrownie]

Kiffin has pretty much taken a bat to a bee hive with his comments, and you're wondering why he keeps getting stung.

No we get why Kiffin gets in trouble for breaking the rules...we just wonder why others aren't given the same treatment.

Commissioner Slive isn't a wild bee, he's supposed to regulate the conference

A teacher can't give one student 3 detentions for a violation and another student 1 for the same violation regardless of the teacher's personal relationship with the students or their history. The rules have to be equal across the board.

What I don't like is Slive's complete lack of neutrality in these issues. Kiffin has rubbed him the wrong way, but Slive still gets paid to enforce the rules and stay neutral

The mocking tone of the second reprimand as well as the fact that it is the only one that I have seen released to the media don't give off that impression

 

[OrangeBrownie]

Actually if you were paying attention I've said it several times. A 2-game suspension quiets the critics, and it's over and above what the NCAA rules call for following an ejection.

And it's a given a 15-yard penalty should have been called in addition to Spikes getting ejected.

But a 2 game suspension isn't what we got.

We got a weak half gamer from Meyer and then we get this from Slive:

Meyer also talked to Southeastern Conference commissioner Mike Slive, but Florida officials said it was Meyer's decision to suspend Spikes.
The SEC issued a statement saying it reviewed and accepted the discipline handed down by Florida.

They immediately issue a statement of support of the decision.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

No we get why Kiffin gets in trouble for breaking the rules...we just wonder why others aren't given the same treatment.

Commissioner Slive isn't a wild bee, he's supposed to regulate the conference

A teacher can't give one student 3 detentions for a violation and another student 1 for the same violation regardless of the teacher's personal relationship with the students or their history. The rules have to be equal across the board.

What I don't like is Slive's complete lack of neutrality in these issues. Kiffin has rubbed him the wrong way, but Slive still gets paid to enforce the rules and stay neutral

The mocking tone of the second reprimand as well as the fact that it is the only one that I have seen released to the media don't give off that impression

Kiffin's body of work was the reason why he's treated differently, fair or unfair. No other SEC coach has wrongly accused other coaches of cheating (while committing secondary violations of his own), followed by accusations of corruption at the highest levels in the conference. Kiffin is the only coach to go there.

It might not be fair, but I'm guessing the lack of equal treatment can be directly tied to the comments that were made.

I'll buy into any hint of impropriety with regard to punishment if Meyer is not fined, reprimanded or both.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

But a 2 game suspension isn't what we got.

We got a weak half gamer from Meyer and then we get this from Slive:

Meyer also talked to Southeastern Conference commissioner Mike Slive, but Florida officials said it was Meyer's decision to suspend Spikes.
The SEC issued a statement saying it reviewed and accepted the discipline handed down by Florida.

They immediately issue a statement of support of the decision.

They supported the decision because UF's recommended punishment is in line with what the NCAA mandates following a player ejection. Spikes should have been ejected, hence the half game suspension.

I know that doesn't appease you, but I'm certain that was the rationale for the half game, whether you agree with it or not.

 

[OrangeBrownie]

The statement was issued immediately after Spikes's suspension.

The New SEC Bylaws also mandate a fine or suspension will come with criticism of officials but the response out of Birmingham seems to be on delay today for whatever reason.

 

[OrangeBrownie]

Kiffin's body of work was the reason why he's treated differently, fair or unfair. No other SEC coach has wrongly accused other coaches of cheating (while committing secondary violations of his own), followed by accusations of corruption at the highest levels in the conference. Kiffin is the only coach to go there.

It might not be fair, but I'm guessing the lack of equal treatment can be directly tied to the comments that were made.

I'll buy into any hint of impropriety with regard to punishment if Meyer is not fined, reprimanded or both.

Again

You can't penalize one team 15 yds for roughing the QB and the other 5 because one team is perceived as "dirty"

It doesn't work that way

 

[utmba93]

If Kiffin's comments were solely about football, I would agree with you. As it turns out, allegations regarding recruiting violations is serious business in the SEC.

Not knowing the actual rules while committing several secondary violations along the way, how did you expect the commissioner to respond?

Follow that up by inferring that there's a conspiracy to keep certain teams alive in the BCS title hunt. Should the commissioner just turn a blind eye to all that?

Kiffin has pretty much taken a bat to a bee hive with his comments, and you're wondering why he keeps getting stung.

Simply amazing. Secondary violations by the NCAA's own definitions are not "serious" violations. Get a clue and tone down your homerism. We're well aware of all the reprimands the NCAA and the SEC has given Kiffin for such egregious acts as saying a recruit's first name, telling boosters that CUM was so paranoid he kept calling Nuke during his visit to UT and still failed to get him at UF, and so on.

The question now is about Urban Meyer and what punishment he recieves for blatantly didisregarding Slive's warning toSEC coaches about the serious consequences that would result should they publicly criticise officiating.

It's Slive's law to enforce' or not. We'll see what he does. However, you can bet we'll judge it against his same propensity to dish out punishment to our coach. And, you bet it had better be consistent with the same actions he would have taken against Lane Kiffin. That's surely more than a 'reprimand' and a 'fine.'

Yet, it's all a product of Slive's ongoing power grab to take the game away from the fans.

If you've got a problem with the trash talking Kiffin is doing about your trashy program, settle it on the field. I know that was the intent and you failed, but you can try harder next year, but your whipping on the field is coming no matter how much you try to win it through the buruacracy that is Slive's office.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

The statement was issued immediately after Spikes's suspension.

The New SEC Bylaws also mandate a fine or suspension will come with criticism of officials but the response out of Birmingham seems to be on delay today for whatever reason.

I can't help you with that one.

It's as though you want Slive to hammer Meyer based on new bylaws put in place to silence Kiffin, even though Meyer's comments came nowhere close to indicting other coaches and the commissioner's office.

If you think Kiffin and Meyer deserve equal punishment based on the rules, that's understandable. The reality is Kiffin's comments were far more inflammatory, yet you don't want that to factor into the decision to suspend Meyer.

 

[utmba93]

The statement was issued immediately after Spikes's suspension.

The New SEC Bylaws also mandate a fine or suspension will come with criticism of officials but the response out of Birmingham seems to be on delay today for whatever reason.

:good!: lol: lol:

Oh...we both know why it's delay on UF punishment, but support them as soon as possible when they need it.

The favouritism must be unprecedented in that office.

The SEC office used to spend its time working for the teams. Now, it's all about trying to run ram shad over coaches for daring to challenge its meaningless authority.

What a bonehead power grab. Get out the game, Slive, if that's all you know how to do with your office.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Simply amazing. Secondary violations by the NCAA's own definitions are not "serious" violations. Get a clue and tone down your homerism. We're well aware of all the reprimands the NCAA and the SEC has given Kiffin for such egregious acts as saying a recruit's first name, telling boosters that CUM was so paranoid he kept calling Nuke during his visit to UT and still failed to get him at UF, and so on.

The question now is about Urban Meyer and what punishment he recieves for blatantly didisregarding Slive's warning toSEC coaches about the serious consequences that would result should they publicly criticise officiating.

It's Slive's law to enforce' or not. We'll see what he does. However, you can bet we'll judge it against his same propensity to dish out punishment to our coach. And, you bet it had better be consistent with the same actions he would have taken against Lane Kiffin. That's surely more than a 'reprimand' and a 'fine.'

Yet, it's all a product of Slive's ongoing power grab to take the game away from the fans.

If you've got a problem with the trash talking Kiffin is doing about your trashy program, settle it on the field. I know that was the intent and you failed, but you can try harder next year, but your whipping on the field is coming no matter how much you try to win it through the buruacracy that is Slive's office.

It's hard to debate with someone as objective as you. Last I checked UF settled it on the field, for the 5th straight year to be exact.

When Meyer's comments are consistent with your coach's comments, we can compare notes on punishments handed down.

For the record here's what Meyer said:
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The Sun then asked Meyer on the weekly teleconference what he thought of the play and how the league had responded.

"I'm not sure I can share that. I don't want to step out of line on that," Meyer said. "It should have been a penalty, in my opinion. You’ve got to protect quarterbacks. That’s the whole purpose. It’s right in front of the referee.”
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If you want to equate that to Kiffin accusing Florida of cheating when they didn't, or the commissioner masterminding some sort of UF-Bama conspiracy, then we're long past the point of any meaningful debate.

Meyer will be punished for those comments, but you won't be satisfied.

 

[utmba93]

I can't help you with that one.

It's as though you want Slive to hammer Meyer based on new bylaws put in place to silence Kiffin, even though Meyer's comments came nowhere close to indicting other coaches and the commissioner's office.

If you think Kiffin and Meyer deserve equal punishment based on the rules, that's understandable. The reality is Kiffin's comments were far more inflammatory, yet you don't want that to factor into the decision to suspend Meyer.

Do you seriously think there would be any delay in punishing Kiffin had he made those remarks?

Kiffin's comments were statements of truth from his perspective. Who else would know that such an injustice had occured had the coach not stated it. When referees do so much injustice that it alters a coach's planning, somebody needs to say something. The whole silence the coach concept that CUM and Slive are pusuing is simply stupid. Do it the old-fashioned way if that's your pleasure? Or are you that sure you can't do in on the field? It's revealing that the UF coach has so little confidence in accomplishing his task that way.

If you guys would spend less time trying to silence Kiffin and more time recruiting, you might have a chance to win another game against him, but I doubt it. He's going to whip the crap out of CUM when he has players of equivalent caliber.

The world of football knows that. That scares CUM so badly, he just can't get CLK off his mind, so he puts Kiffin quotes all over your locker room.

It's a sad truth for you Gator fans, but it's fun to watch for us.

 

[utmba93]

It's hard to debate with someone as objective as you. Last I checked UF settled it on the field, for the 5th straight year to be exact.

You've played Kiffin once... and that was hardly what CUM and all you loud mouth Gator fans expected it to be. Why else would your coach need to make an excuse about the flu?

Wait for your second round before talking about five in a row against him and his staff. Fulmer is gone. You may not have noticed.

 

[miraclemax]

As a Gator fan, I hope Meyer gets suspended for the Vandy game and goes golfing with Spikes while we torch the Comedydores.

It's just a perfect fit.

It shuts up all the critics who think the SEC is a tool for UF.

It brings attention to an obvious officiating mistake against UF and shuts up the critics who thinks the officials are obviously pro-Gator.

It deflects attention away from the perceived leniency of Spikes suspension.

And best of all, it sets the table for a future punishment for Kiffin and shuts up the critics in advance that the SEC has a different standard for Lane.

If I was a Vol fan, I wouldn't be screaming for Meyer to get suspended. I'd be sniffing conspiracy here. Meyer isn't a loose cannon. Every damn word is measured before it comes out of his mouth. He knew that he was criticising an official. He knew what Slive's edict was and knew that he'd get this reaction.

You just need to ask yourself why he did it. I think I know.