Urban Meyer - Lucky or Great coaching?

#51
#51
Sudeepvol said:
oh come on...u cant give florida credit on that one...the ark guy was at the 5 YARD LINE TRYING TO RETURN A PUNT...thats more ark's fault than fla's great special teams
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No, sir. I think you have to give credit to Florida for that punt recovery. I can't precisely describe how FL did the punt. I think they did a rugby style punt. I remember the punter moved laterally out of pocket and those blockers on the weak side shot out to chase the ball. That's why when the ball was on the air, 4 or 5 Florida players were already on the way.

But just as you said, if the returner didn't make a mistake, this punt wouldn't work anyway. Hey, but (I believe) that's why they risked the ball security to put the pressure on the returner. It worked, the returned went panic, didn't call the fair catch, didn't get away from the ball. How many punt returners have seen 5 guys dashing like mad dogs to them and trying to blow their heads off? Florida gambled, and it paid off.
 
#52
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tvolsfan said:
I'm talking about Russel's mistakes against LSU, and missed FG's by UF. The games were also at Neyland. The fact is, UT choked big time. Those teams were much better, and let UT hang aroudn the whole time.
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How did UT choke by being that close to vastly superior opponents? Florida and LSU would've had to have had 100% chokejobs to lose those games instead of about a 95% chokewhich allowed UT to be that close in the first place.
 
#53
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tvolsfan said:
I'm talking about Russel's mistakes against LSU, and missed FG's by UF. The games were also at Neyland. The fact is, UT choked big time. Those teams were much better, and let UT hang aroudn the whole time.
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I wouldn't say we choked, atleast not as bad, in the LSU game... Crompton was a redshirt freshman basically starting his first game. He did his best to keep us in it with some great TD passes and a run where he knocked down that LSU player over the middle of the field never backing off (something i'll remember for a long time, it was great :D).

Les Miles has to be the worst coach when it comes to clock management and throwing games away... the score could've been something like 42-17 if not for their sloppy play they had "all" season.

The Florida game was a choke 4 sure.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
I wouldn't say we choked, atleast not as bad, in the LSU game... Crompton was a redshirt freshman basically starting his first game. He did his best to keep us in it with some great TD passes and a run where he knocked down that LSU player over the middle of the field never backing off (something i'll remember for a long time, it was great :D).

Les Miles has to be the worst coach when it comes to clock management and throwing games away... the score could've been something like 42-17 if not for their sloppy play they had "all" season.

The Florida game was a choke 4 sure.
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I'm sorry. Did you just say that UT choked the Florida game away?
 
#56
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Tenn_Vol_Authority said:
I say he is lucky. I mean, everyone knows that his offense doesn't work in the SEC... :crazy:
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Which offense? He hasn't used his "super-awesome-option" offense hardly yet... he went with a traditional TE/FB type offense for most of the past 2 years.. takes awhile to actually put it in place.. for all we know once he starts going to his real offense it will be a total failure in the SEC. When he did run his trick play like stuff it mostly seemed to work due to suprise and lack of film at Florida on it... but when we are seeing it from them every game it may have less of an impact, who knows.
 
#57
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lawgator1 said:
I'm sorry. Did you just say that UT choked the Florida game away?
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Yes. Did you not look at the scoreboard early in the 3rd quarter? Even watch the game?

Whether or not we are lucky to be in that position... we had a great lead nearing the end of the game and lost it... therefore it was a choke. Our 4th quarter defense was pathetic.. I do not see how it wasn't a choke.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
Jamarcus Russell throwing approx. 1.2 million interceptions in that game also could've had an effect on the score.
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It had, that's why we were still in that game. Do you get a chance to count how many times we punt the ball in the first half?
 
#59
#59
2007 Florida was lucky.

However, teams that are down 14 in the 4th quarter don't get lucky that often.
 
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exotic_vols said:
No, sir. I think you have to give credit to Florida for that punt recovery. I can't precisely describe how FL did the punt. I think they did a rugby style punt. I remember the punter moved laterally out of pocket and those blockers on the weak side shot out to chase the ball. That's why when the ball was on the air, 4 or 5 Florida players were already on the way.

But just as you said, if the returner didn't make a mistake, this punt wouldn't work anyway. Hey, but (I believe) that's why they risked the ball security to put the pressure on the returner. It worked, the returned went panic, didn't call the fair catch, didn't get away from the ball. How many punt returners have seen 5 guys dashing like mad dogs to them and trying to blow their heads off? Florida gambled, and it paid off.
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regardless of florida's punt team, i have rarely seen a punt returner go all the way back to his OWN 4 YARD LINE to recieve a punt
 
#61
#61
Its guys like Tommy Bowden who get lucky by means of birth. From what Ive read, Meyer has been successful everywhere he's coached, Bowling Green, Utah, and Florida.

Even Fulmer was fortunate UT didn't do a national search after Majors was fired for an experienced coach and instead chose to hire an alumni and inside the program. I remember being disappointd no other coaches were considered for the job.
 
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oklavol said:
Its guys like Tommy Bowden who get lucky by means of birth. From what Ive read, Meyer has been successfull everywhere he's coached, Bowling Green, Utah, and Florida.

Even Fulmer was fortunate UT didn't do a national search after Majors was fired for an experienced coach and instead chose to hire an alumni and inside the program. I remember being disappointd no other coaches were considered for the job.
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No doubt he has proven he is a winner... but I think we were mainly pointing out his past 2 years at Florida.. he had a lot of things fall into the right places and had quite a bit of good luck.

I believe this next year will tell how good he really is.. his offense "should" be fully in place now that Tebow will be starting.
 
#63
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oklavol said:
Its guys like Tommy Bowden who get lucky by means of birth. From what Ive read, Meyer has been successful everywhere he's coached, Bowling Green, Utah, and Florida.

Even Fulmer was fortunate UT didn't do a national search after Majors was fired for an experienced coach and instead chose to hire an alumni and inside the program. I remember being disappointd no other coaches were considered for the job.
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How disappointed were you when the alumni slob that UT settled on won a national championship?
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
No doubt he has proven he is a winner... but I think we were mainly pointing out his past 2 years at Florida.. he had a lot of things fall into the right places and had quite a bit of good luck.

I believe this next year will tell how good he really is.. his offense "should" be fully in place now that Tebow will be starting.
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In my opinion the fact that he didn't use his normal offense and won anyway is even more impressive. Uncreative coaches can't adapt. They just fall apart trying to keep doing the same thing that doesn't work. Meyer played to his strengths and masked his teams weaknesses. Despite Florida's tremendous talent, they had some issues and Meyer did an excellent job of compensation. He's not any luckier than any other coach.

EDIT: Just looked it up. Meyer's lost 12 games in the past 6 years. He's never lost a bowl game. I don't think you can find an SEC coach that can compare with that.
 
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Sudeepvol said:
regardless of florida's punt team, i have rarely seen a punt returner go all the way back to his OWN 4 YARD LINE to recieve a punt
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I am just impressed by the punt with intention to get the ball back. I don't disagree with you, Florida at most indirectly made the play. They just caught that rare opportunity. What I am trying to say is: assume it's a normal punt, and do you expect a SEC returner, who has been taught everyday that, "the ball into 10-yard line, get the hell out of there", goes all the way back to catch that ball inside 5? I don't think so. So, I believe under the unexpected pressure Florida put on, the returner was more likely to make mistakes than no pressure normal punt. So Florida's special team play may contributed to Arkansas' mistake, and in this case, we should give Florida some credit.
 
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exotic_vols said:
I am just impressed by the punt with intention to get the ball back. I don't disagree with you, Florida at most indirectly made the play. They just caught that rare opportunity. What I am trying to say is: assume it's a normal punt, and do you expect a SEC returner, who has been taught everyday that, "the ball into 10-yard line, get the hell out of there", goes all the way back to catch that ball inside 5? I don't think so. So, I believe under the unexpected pressure Florida put on, the returner was more likely to make mistakes than no pressure normal punt. So Florida's special team play may contributed to Arkansas' mistake, and in this case, we should give Florida some credit.
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Florida won several games because of their special teams play. UT has lost even more games because of special teams miscues. UT coaches deserve to catch hell for this, just like UF's coaches should get credit.
 
#68
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tidwell said:
How disappointed were you when the alumni slob that UT settled on won a national championship?
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When did I ever call Fulmer a slob and say I was disappointed UT won an NC???

Since Fulmer won NC in 98, does that mean I'm not allowed to be disappointed that Fulmer hasn't won anything since?
 
#69
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oklavol said:
When did I ever call Fulmer a slob and say I was disappointed UT won an NC???

Since Fulmer won NC in 98, does that mean I'm not allowed to be disappointed that Fulmer hasn't won anything since?
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Absolfreakinlutely not!! We are supposed to be happy to get a NC approx. every 50 years. Come 2048 we're in the money again... :dance2:
 
#70
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oklavol said:
When did I ever call Fulmer a slob and say I was disappointed UT won an NC???

Since Fulmer won NC in 98, does that mean I'm not allowed to be disappointed that Fulmer hasn't won anything since?
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Sure you are. However, you expressed disappointment in hiring Fulmer at all at the time. Nothing to do with recent events.
 
#71
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tidwell said:
Sure you are. However, you expressed disappointment in hiring Fulmer at all at the time. Nothing to do with recent events.
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No, what I said was I was disappointed no other coaches were considered, that UT didn't do a search for a coach. It seemed like UT didn't even look at any other candidates.
 
#72
#72
And up until just after the 1998 season, were you still disappointed by that series of events, or lack thereof?
 
#73
#73
tidwell said:
And up until just after the 1998 season, were you still disappointed by that series of events, or lack thereof?
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I was disappointed UT usually couldn't beat Florida. I was disapointed the offense continued to be conservative like it was under Majors, but not as bad. That was the only gripes.

You act like Fulmer is the only guy who could come to UT and win a NC.
 
#74
#74
No, I'm just trying to gather whether or not you were disappointed with the head coach at UT after the 1998 season. That is all. It seems that you were, and that's ok. :peace2:
 
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