USU Aggies Spring Ball Video

[utvolpj]

How about the fact that oddsmakers, who's job is to make point spreads with millions of dollars on the line, think Tennessee is only about 3 points better than USU (plus home field)?

that's not what the line means at all

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Yesssssssss! Because everyone wants to be know by who beats us, right?

Remind us again of all of the "good wins" UT has in recent enough memory that it has any bearing on today (Let's call it 5 years, just to be safe...)

A while ago, you said you were leaving. Did you instead mean that you were lying?

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

How about the fact that oddsmakers, who's job is to make point spreads with millions of dollars on the line, think Tennessee is only about 3 points better than USU (plus home field)?

The house wants even betting on each side. The line is put in place to achieve that result. A line moving indicates money being put down on on side and the house wants to balance that out so they don't take a big loss.

The line doesn't really indicate who is better. But if somehow you think Mormon State can hang with us, more power to you. Guess we will see in a few months.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

USU fans have the strangest argument ever. First off, they refuse to acknowledge their incredibly weak schedule against several of FBS worst teams every year. Then their whole stance is "I think UT still wins against the Aggies and it will be fairly close so im going to bash you for sucking the past few years". Makes no sense at all.

 

[Vol865]

How about the fact that oddsmakers, who's job is to make point spreads with millions of dollars on the line, think Tennessee is only about 3 points better than USU (plus home field)?

How about I bet they've lost a lot of money on these smaller games with the lines they had on UT games

 

[Vol865]

Probably a touchdown by game time.

Could move in USUs direction, too. Fact is this is what the wise guys think today, which is a lot different from what we USU fans have to listen to Tenn fans say

Dont wanna hear what us Tennessee fans have to say? Dont come to Tennessee board.

 

[sjt18]

Funny part of all this is that I am at worst neutral on the TEAM. Anyone who pokes Kiffin in the eye is good in my book... It is their cocky, mouthy fans that keep showing up that I find "interesting".

 

[Madmartigan]

USU fans have the strangest argument ever. First off, they refuse to acknowledge their incredibly weak schedule against several of FBS worst teams every year. Then their whole stance is "I think UT still wins against the Aggies and it will be fairly close so im going to bash you for sucking the past few years". Makes no sense at all.

How is this, UT-Knoxville plays in a superior conference against superior teams. UT-Knoxville should expect to win this game. I don't think it's going to be a beat-down.

I guess USU fans perceive some hubris from UT-Knoxville. USU fans correctly point out that Tennessee really doesn't have much to brag about recently with regards to their program. Superior talent and athleticism don't always win out as all of you know. Then inevitably there is a pissing match about how bad the Mountain West is, how Tennessee has superior history etc etc. I'm not here to start that one. USU's program has been recently improving while UT-Knoxville has been in a bit of a rut. UT-Knoxville certainly has superior talent and plays harder teams. Are the two programs on equal footing? Heck no- UT-Knoxville by a mile. The point of all this rambling? I'm not quite sure, just to say I think it's going to be a competitive game: win or lose for either side.

 

[Vol865]

How is this, UT-Knoxville plays in a superior conference against superior teams. UT-Knoxville should expect to win this game. I don't think it's going to be a beat-down.

I guess USU fans perceive some hubris from UT-Knoxville. USU fans correctly point out that Tennessee really doesn't have much to brag about recently with regards to their program. Superior talent and athleticism don't always win out as all of you know. Then inevitably there is a pissing match about how bad the Mountain West is, how Tennessee has superior history etc etc. I'm not here to start that one. USU's program has been recently improving while UT-Knoxville has been in a bit of a rut. UT-Knoxville certainly has superior talent and plays harder teams. Are the two programs on equal footing? Heck no- UT-Knoxville by a mile. The point of all this rambling? I'm not quite sure, just to say I think it's going to be a competitive game: win or lose for either side.

Then all we say is most of us dont think it will be as competitive. Then most of you all get offended, not you specifically but most of USUs fans.

 

[Madmartigan]

Funny part of all this is that I am at worst neutral on the TEAM. Anyone who pokes Kiffin in the eye is good in my book... It is their cocky, mouthy fans that keep showing up that I find "interesting".

You calling another fan cocky is the pot calling the kettle black. I'm sure both fan bases just feel like they're stating facts, but in reality there is enough of this from both sides to go around.

 

[Orange_Crush]

How is this, UT-Knoxville plays in a superior conference against superior teams. UT-Knoxville should expect to win this game. I don't think it's going to be a beat-down.

I guess USU fans perceive some hubris from UT-Knoxville. USU fans correctly point out that Tennessee really doesn't have much to brag about recently with regards to their program. Superior talent and athleticism don't always win out as all of you know. Then inevitably there is a pissing match about how bad the Mountain West is, how Tennessee has superior history etc etc. I'm not here to start that one. USU's program has been recently improving while UT-Knoxville has been in a bit of a rut. UT-Knoxville certainly has superior talent and plays harder teams. Are the two programs on equal footing? Heck no- UT-Knoxville by a mile. The point of all this rambling? I'm not quite sure, just to say I think it's going to be a competitive game: win or lose for either side.

It's not a pissing match. It's just facts pertinent to the conversation. Compared to the SEC, the MWC is somewhere between high school and the best football in the NCAA. To us, you coming in here pointing out our losses and saying it will be close is akin to Tennessee's state championship high school team talking to USU about their schedule and making comparisons.

The year UT won the national championship, only an idiot UT fan would have compared our W/L with Detroit's, who was sucking it up in the NFL.

Your a good MWC team. Until you're not a MWC team anymore, just let that be good enough.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Madmartigan,

Sjt has asked an important question that I haven't seen answered by our resident USU visitors. Before we continue, could you answer it?

What would USU's record been, had it played UT's schedule the past 4 years. What do you think UT's record would have been against USU's?

 

[Madmartigan]

Madmartigan,

Sjt has asked an important question that I haven't seen answered by our resident USU visitors. Before we continue, could you answer it?

What would USU's record been, had it played UT's schedule the past 4 years. What do you think UT's record would have been against USU's?

UT would be tops in the MWC every year and USU would definetely be in the bottom of the SEC. That what you're looking for, or should I go game by game haha?

I think an equally salient point here is that it's a single game, not an entire season. The all season grind of an SEC schedule is brutal. The mw is a much lesser animal. SEC teams have lost to lesser teams in recent history: Utah over Alabama, Boise State over Georgia. I'm sure there are more, but those are the ones I can remember. I'm also certain there are more cases where the superior team wins over the lesser team, still anything can happen with one game.

Thanks for letting me play Devil's advocate. If I were a UT-Knoxville fan I'd probably be laughing my keester off at all these Utah State fans coming here and claiming we'll play with you- I do have that perspective. Appreciate you letting me post.

 

[sjt18]

Probably a touchdown by game time.

Could move in USUs direction, too. Fact is this is what the wise guys think today, which is a lot different from what we USU fans have to listen to Tenn fans say

UT has more talent. If your coach doesn't do a terrific job and/or you don't get a lot of "bounces"... this is a 17+ pt game.

You can squirm, deflect, talk about all sorts of meaningless or extraneous things... and the fact remains that UT simply has better players and more of them. Is UT ready for primetime in the SEC? Maybe not. Are they a few steps forward from what they were last year and several steps ahead of the few years before that? Yes. Are the mid-majors you've built your success playing anywhere close to as talented as UT will be when you face them on August 30th? No.

You can talk about playing big schools close. And that's nice. But it will also keep UT from overlooking you. Each of the 3 games you would point to have their own stories. I'll answer their relevance like this:

UT didn't lose a Cam Newton type of one man show like Auburn did before struggling with you. They were a team in decline though few knew it. A year later they would fire their incompetent coach. It is amazing Chizik ever got the job considering his record at ISU.

Wisconsin flat out wasn't a very good football team when you played them two years ago. They only beat a 3-9 UTEP team by 11 the following week. Two weeks earlier FCS No Iowa took them to the wire. You were their only regular season win over a team that finished with a winning record. They improved at the end of the season but they were bad at the beginning of the year.

Last year you almost got USC... while they were in complete turmoil. Kiffin was on the way out. They were feeling the depth effects of the recruiting sanctions. Some of their players were already laying down. It was a perfect storm... and ultimately... USU couldn't get it done.

You beat none of those teams. Your program is improved but you act as if UT fans should take USU as serious as we would Bama or UGA. Sorry. You just aren't there and probably never will be.

 

[Vol4life25]

Why are you calling us UT-Knoxville?

 

[Orange_Crush]

UT would be tops in the MWC every year and USU would definetely be in the bottom of the SEC. That what you're looking for, or should I go game by game haha?

I think an equally salient point here is that it's a single game, not an entire season. The all season grind of an SEC schedule is brutal. The mw is a much lesser animal. SEC teams have lost to lesser teams in recent history: Utah over Alabama, Boise State over Georgia. I'm sure there are more, but those are the ones I can remember. I'm also certain there are more cases where the superior team wins over the lesser team, still anything can happen with one game.

Thanks for letting me play Devil's advocate. If I were a UT-Knoxville fan I'd probably be laughing my keester off at all these Utah State fans coming here and claiming we'll play with you- I do have that perspective. Appreciate you letting me post.

MadMart...

In all honesty, I think, after a few years, UT would be no more than competitive in the MWC. We would lose recruiting. We would lose $$$, and thus facilities. We would lose a toughness that comes from a grueling schedule against the best in the nation every year. To be the best, you have to play the best.

So, it wasn't a hit against USU or even the MWC. I have a lot of respect for what you guys are doing, and have a feeling that you will pay your dues and work your way up into other conferences.

It was just an attempt to show that difference in competition has a lot to do with results.

:hi:

 

[sjt18]

I think an equally salient point here is that it's a single game, not an entire season.

That is a very good and important point. Boise's success was in beating up on a weak schedule then getting up for a couple of big games a year. Depth didn't come into play. They found enough good players to be competitive one deep. And they were very well coached.

I have looked as best I can at the two rosters. Obviously I know more about UT's but have tried to at least somewhat educate myself on USU's. USU has some players that can hurt UT. I just don't think they have enough. OTOH, I think UT's WR's vs USU's DB's looks like a complete and total mismatch. UT has a significant athletic advantage in that match up. But worse, USU's secondary is new and looked awful against USU's WR's in the spring game video... who do not have UT's overall speed or size or skill.

IMO, that match up more than anything else defines this game.

 

[Madmartigan]

Why are you calling us UT-Knoxville?

I lived in or near Austin, Texas for a few years. Just a habit since Texas also has a UT, but mostly because I'm just a little bit strange.

 

[Madmartigan]

MadMart...

In all honesty, I think, after a few years, UT would be no more than competitive in the MWC. We would lose recruiting. We would lose $$$, and thus facilities. We would lose a toughness that comes from a grueling schedule against the best in the nation every year. To be the best, you have to play the best.

So, it wasn't a hit against USU or even the MWC. I have a lot of respect for what you guys are doing, and have a feeling that you will pay your dues and work your way up into other conferences.

It was just an attempt to show that difference in competition has a lot to do with results.

:hi:

You articulated this very well. I agree.

 

[sjt18]

You calling another fan cocky is the pot calling the kettle black. I'm sure both fan bases just feel like they're stating facts, but in reality there is enough of this from both sides to go around.

I root for a team that has won national championships, is top 10 in total wins, plays in CFB's elite conference, and just a few years ago fired an iconic coach for a 4 year record that would have gotten USU's stadium named after him.

It would be similar to a Jeff Gordon fan debating with a Trevor Bayne fan if you watch NASCAR. Bayne is a pretty good Nationwide Series driver. Gordon has been down for awhile... but it would be "cocky" for Bayne fans to talk junk comparing the two... not so much the other way round.

 

[KBVol]

I root for a team that has won national championships, is top 10 in total wins, plays in CFB's elite conference, and just a few years ago fired an iconic coach for a 4 year record that would have gotten USU's stadium named after him.

It would be similar to a Jeff Gordon fan debating with a Trevor Bayne fan if you watch NASCAR. Bayne is a pretty good Nationwide Series driver. Gordon has been down for awhile... but it would be "cocky" for Bayne fans to talk junk comparing the two... not so much the other way round.

Excellent, accurate analogy.

 

[Madmartigan]

That is a very good and important point. Boise's success was in beating up on a weak schedule then getting up for a couple of big games a year. Depth didn't come into play. They found enough good players to be competitive one deep. And they were very well coached.

I have looked as best I can at the two rosters. Obviously I know more about UT's but have tried to at least somewhat educate myself on USU's. USU has some players that can hurt UT. I just don't think they have enough. OTOH, I think UT's WR's vs USU's DB's looks like a complete and total mismatch. UT has a significant athletic advantage in that match up. But worse, USU's secondary is new and looked awful against USU's WR's in the spring game video... who do not have UT's overall speed or size or skill.

IMO, that match up more than anything else defines this game.

Tough to draw any conclusions from either spring game, IMO. I do agree that you have a beastly WR core that will cause us problems. Our secondary is unproven and certainly a concern. I won't go out on a limb I know everything I need to know about them from a spring game. Both squads have guys coming in for the fall that can make a difference. A good pass rush can make a world of difference for a secondary. We will see if the front seven can get any pressure. Also- do you have QB who can get the ball to these stud WRs? I know that's a bit of a question mark for you as well.

Overall there are lots of question marks on both sides. Excited to be in the stadium to see it all play out.

 

[BruiserVol]

Tough to draw any conclusions from either spring game, IMO. I do agree that you have a beastly WR core that will cause us problems. Our secondary is unproven and certainly a concern. I won't go out on a limb I know everything I need to know about them from a spring game. Both squads have guys coming in for the fall that can make a difference. A good pass rush can make a world of difference for a secondary. We will see if the front seven can get any pressure. Also- do you have QB who can get the ball to these stud WRs? I know that's a bit of a question mark for you as well.

Overall there are lots of question marks on both sides. Excited to be in the stadium to see it all play out.

We do have a qb that beat USCe and played UGA to overtime. He was progressing before he was injured. Peterman was an experiment against Florida and got injured. Dobbs was forced to play due to them both being injured.

 

[ficklez]

Excellent, accurate analogy.

Except tennessee fans are saying they're going to lap usu three times and that a snail on a bike has a better shot to win than usu. And that their pit crew could beat usu on our best day.

 

[sjt18]

Probably a touchdown by game time.

Could move in USUs direction, too. Fact is this is what the wise guys think today, which is a lot different from what we USU fans have to listen to Tenn fans say

Oddsmakers' jobs aren't to predict outcomes. Their jobs are to get roughly equal numbers to bet on either side of a line.

IOW's, they don't look at rosters nor care about any of the details we're talking about. They don't care about the likely nor actual outcome of the game. They ONLY care about getting people to bet.

Early season odds in college football could be the least reliable in all of college sports. Most bettors do not do alot of research. Some will be in a game pool that chooses "interesting" games. Some will bet Parlay cards. Others are more serious and will actually do a little research beyond the pre-season football mags.

Early games are by far the MOST subjective betting lines. Your late winning will influence more than it should as will UT's recent struggles. Predictions of you finishing in the top 3 of the MWC (assuming) will "matter" compared to UT who will be predicted more than likely to finish in the bottom half of the SECE and to have another losing record.

Few if any will get deep enough to actually look at matchups in a game like this. They'll be satisfied with that 6 pt line.