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#126
Hardwood_fanatic said:
What you talkin' bout Willis?

You know its easier to out recruit football national powerhouses, build an 85 man roster full of quality depth at each position to supplement injuries, and collect an elite starting line-up consisting of 22 players, than it is to recruit 2 good years consisting of 3-6 players combined that are in the top 100, and coach them to prominence.
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boise state
 
#128
#128
golfballs03 said:
boise state
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Man, I've agreed with you throughout about Pearl... But building a basketball program is easier than building a football program. It's really not even close. In football, you better have quality depth everywhere... In basketball 3 to 4 players can and usually make a team.
 
#129
#129
thekicker33 said:
Man, I've agreed with you throughout about Pearl... But building a basketball program is easier than building a football program. It's really not even close. In football, you better have quality depth everywhere... In basketball 3 to 4 players can and usually make a team.
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You might be agreeing with him. He hasn't decided which position he agrees with yet.
 
#130
#130
Titanic said:
There are a whole lot of things, many of them entirely outside Bruce's control, that had to happen at the same time to have led to this team being so dysfunctional.
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Are you saying the character and temperment of the guys he chooses to recruit are "entirely outside" a coach's control? If so, that's pure, unadulterated nonsense.
 
#131
#131
LawVol13 said:
Of course I'm serious. I acknowledge that basketball recruiting is different. But the same evaluation process that goes into basketball occurs in football with many, many more prospects. Thus, I would absolutely submit that assembling a quality class in football is more difficult.
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there's more development that does into football players. there are few that step on to campus as freshmen and make an immediate impact.

in basketball there are the same number of schools vying over a fewer number of recruits. and the bigger impact each on of them makes on a team. lebron james, if he had gone to college, makes anyone he plays for a legitimate contender. impossible for one player to make that kind of impact in football. what does it take to land one of those recruits in basketball??? he has to come from your state, or you have to be UNC or one of the brand names.
 
#134
#134
golfballs03 said:
there's more development that does into football players. there are few that step on to campus as freshmen and make an immediate impact.

in basketball there are the same number of schools vying over a fewer number of recruits. and the bigger impact each on of them makes on a team. lebron james, if he had gone to college, makes anyone he plays for a legitimate contender. impossible for one player to make that kind of impact in football. what does it take to land one of those recruits in basketball??? he has to come from your state, or you have to be UNC or one of the brand names.
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So that make it easier to establish a football powerhouse? That makes absolutely no sense.
 
#136
#136
golfballs03 said:
there's more development that does into football players. there are few that step on to campus as freshmen and make an immediate impact.

in basketball there are the same number of schools vying over a fewer number of recruits. and the bigger impact each on of them makes on a team. lebron james, if he had gone to college, makes anyone he plays for a legitimate contender. impossible for one player to make that kind of impact in football. what does it take to land one of those recruits in basketball??? he has to come from your state, or you have to be UNC or one of the brand names.
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Michael Beasley was from Kansas? Marcus Camby was from Massachusetts? UCONN was a "brand name" when Calhoun signed Donnie Marshall, et al?
 
#137
#137
golfballs03 said:
ask alabama and oklahoma about the WAC
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You can't use one game instances to define a "powerhouse". Put them in a BCS conference and this discussion never happens.

One can go down the line, year after year and show examples of teams in basketball that build prominent programs and sustain them over time. (that we previously not upper tier teams)

You cannot do the same with football. The have's will always have, and the have nots will continue to scrape the bottom of the barrel.
 
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#138
hatvol96 said:
Michael Beasley was from Kansas? Marcus Camby was from Massachusetts? UCONN was a "brand name" when Calhoun signed Donnie Marshall, et al?
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Hat, the point was that one player can't make that type of impact in football, and that's why it's so much easier to make yourself a football dynasty? Does that not make sense?
 
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#139
Hardwood_fanatic said:
You can't use one game instances to define a "powerhouse". Put them in a BCS conference and this discussion never happens.

One can go down the line, year after year and show examples of teams in basketball that build prominent programs and sustain them over time.

You cannot do the same with football. The have's will always have, and the have nots will continue to scrape the bottom of the barrel.
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I'm still waiting to hear who Alabama played from the WAC.
 
#141
#141
hatvol96 said:
Are you saying the character and temperment of the guys he chooses to recruit are "entirely outside" a coach's control? If so, that's pure, unadulterated nonsense.
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No, but I think a guy like Tyler Smith who has been through enough hardship to have developed some maturity and is a damn senior should be able to be depended on not to do what he did. I also think the loss of both Negedu and Crews is crippling. If we had either of them this team would be completely different. I'm sure you see things differently.

But hey, I'm sure you can pick these bad apples out before they even set foot on campus, right? You probably know which of our three signees for next year will wash out or be arrested, and you can probably see any potential myocardial issues coming a mile away. It's not like any other colleges have players who smoke weed or fail to matriculate.

But you're not even who I get irritated by. It's the people that don't understand that someone with your passion for the game combined with your obvious intelligence is going to be able to eviscerate any coach you follow closely and aren't particularly fond of. All coaches have warts. But these people just follow you merrily along and think they're being brilliant and thoroughly un-sheeplike.
 
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#142
#142
After trying to build around a team for almost 2 years, and having a monkey wrench thrown in with Tyler getting kicked off, there is no doubt in my mind that Pearl is trying everything he can within reason to be competitive. I really want to get past this year and on to next year. The team will be more consistent next year, but will still have it's off games. It will be another 20 win season. When Scotty is a senior, never thought I would say that, this team will be Elite 8 capable, IMO.
 
#143
#143
LawVol13 said:
Hat, the point was that one player can't make that type of impact in football, and that's why it's so much easier to make yourself a football dynasty? Does that not make sense?
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That doesn't really help the argument. In basketball one recruiting class can change a team from NIT to exceptional. You can build good teams in basketball insanely quickly. It's far easier to build a good program this way instead of trying to bring a bad football program to prominence.
 
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#144
tvolsfan said:
That doesn't really help the argument. In basketball one recruiting class can change a team from NIT to exceptional. You can build good teams in basketball insanely quickly. It's far easier to build a good program this way instead of trying to bring a bad football program to prominence.
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Yes, that was my point. I was being sarcastic.
 
#145
#145
LawVol13 said:
I'm still waiting to hear who Alabama played from the WAC.
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boise state is of the same caliber as utah. whatever.

regardless.

player development matters more in football than basketball where kids at this level are able to come in and contribute more early on. pearl is improving his recruiting classes. we can expect better results. he's got another all american coming in next year, let's see what he can do with 2 former mcdonalds all americans on his team. slowly but surely he might be building something. i'm just not ready to crucify the guy yet
 
#147
#147
golfballs03 said:
boise state is of the same caliber as utah. whatever.

regardless.

player development matters more in football than basketball where kids at this level are able to come in and contribute more early on. pearl is improving his recruiting classes. we can expect better results. he's got another all american coming in next year, let's see what he can do with 2 former mcdonalds all americans on his team. slowly but surely he might be building something. i'm just not ready to crucify the guy yet
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I completely agree. That's why it's much easier to create a basketball powerhouse than a football powerhouse.
 
#149
#149
LawVol13 said:
I completely agree. That's why it's much easier to create a basketball powerhouse than a football powerhouse.
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It's much easier to create an exceptional team in basketball for one year. With the one and done rule it is much harder to build one long term, and with so few signees in every class every miss is magnified. Look at UNC right now, or the problems Gary Williams has had. In college football if you need a QB you can recruit four of them in one class and hope one works out. You can't really do that with a point guard or center.
 
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