UT worst fans in the country

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Any recruit in any sport can be a bust. I'm not sure how that disproves that basketball is harder to take from mediocre to a powerhouse than football is.

Because you can have 7 different people play the same position in football and one bust out of the 7 isn't going to kill you. If you have 2 people that play the same position in basketball and one of them busts and the other was a career backup, you are screwed. It's really simple.

 

[tvolsfan]

It's much easier to create an exceptional team in basketball for one year. With the one and done rule it is much harder to build one long term, and with so few signees in every class every miss is magnified.

Not really. If you're good, you can just get another one. Everyone you get makes the next one easier to get.

 

[LawVol13]

It's much easier to create an exceptional team in basketball for one year. With the one and done rule it is much harder to build one long term, and with so few signees in every class every miss is magnified. Look at UNC right now, or the problems Gary Williams has had. In college football if you need a QB you can recruit four of them in one class and hope one works out. You can't really do that with a point guard or center.

So, UNC is an example of how it is hard to build long term. I was actually under the impression that Roy Williams had been pretty consistently successful. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[tvolsfan]

Because you can have 7 different people play the same position in football and one bust out of the 7 isn't going to kill you. If you have 2 people that play the same position in basketball and one of them busts and the other was a career backup, you are screwed. It's really simple.

In football, if your QB sucks, you could be without good QB play for years until a new guy comes in and gets used to things. In baketball, if a player sucks, you can get someone to replace him much faster.

 

[golfballs]

Any recruit in any sport can be a bust. I'm not sure how that disproves that basketball is harder to take from mediocre to a powerhouse than football is.

yeah, well i think that basketball programs can go through greater periods of volatility. you can be sky high one moment, and rock bottom the next. but building consistent success is different. i guess it all comes down to peoples expectations. obviously some people on here are content being beaten every year in the sweet 16, while other may rather have periods of final 4 runs followed up by nit berths. like florida?? i dont know.......

 

[LawVol13]

Because you can have 7 different people play the same position in football and one bust out of the 7 isn't going to kill you. If you have 2 people that play the same position in basketball and one of them busts and the other was a career backup, you are screwed. It's really simple.

The point is: a mediocre football team isn't able to recruit 7 highly rated players at one position. Most of them aren't able to recruit any highly rated players.

A mediocre basketball team can recruit 2 highly rated players and go from mediocre to excellent.

It's ridiculous to argue that it would be easier to take UK football, for example, to prominence than say Kansas State basketball.

 

[Titanic]

So, UNC is an example of how it is hard to build long term. I was actually under the impression that Roy Williams had been pretty consistently successful. Maybe I'm wrong.

Boy you think you're smart. No, UNC is an example of how things can go wrong. An extreme example. They are a team that recruits at the highest level and has every advantage. Most teams are not that fortunate.

 

[UT's#1Fan]

You know it. It is absolutely pathetic. Piss on the majority of you. Quit watching if you hate EVERY SINGLE PLAYER on the team and the Coach. There is a big percentage of internet heroes who think being an informed fan means you are critical of every player on your team, it doesn't.
For those of you who want Bruce gone, go bite your mom. UT basketball was irrelevant before Bruce, and will return there the moment you guys chase him off.
To those that think that you know what is in any players heart, you don;t.
It would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic that many of you think that winning games means more to you than the guys who play.
Someone actually wanted to attack Prince for taking a wide open shot with 3 mintes left down by nearly 20? Chism is a wuss because he layed down? Scotty has no heart because you guys know what he thinks? Why? Because you ran your mouth on a UK message board when he signed here so it has to be his fault that he isn't as good yet as you told them he would be?
With fans like this, UT should scrap the program. This happens over and over. Clausen, Crompton, Prince, Pearl, Hopson, Woolridge. It is amazing any decent player would ever want to play for a team whos fans actually hate their players.
UT fans will get what the deserve, a team that goes to the NIT every 6 years. Congratulations.

Prince should NEVER under any circumstance take a jumper let alone a 3 pointer. I'd rather him take a shot clock violation than take a jump shot. Horrible...
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[g8terh8ter_eric]

In football, if your QB sucks, you could be without good QB play for years until a new guy comes in and gets used to things. In baketball, if a player sucks, you can get someone to replace him much faster.

Why is it easier?? It's the same concept in both B-Ball and football recruiting. You have those guys that will require some polishing before they are dominant, and you have those players that will have an immediate impact. There are 347 D-1 Basketball teams and 120 D-1 Football teams. Plus, a freshman is a freshman, for the most part. There just isn't a John Wall type player each year coming into D-1 B-Ball. Freshman are still freshman. It takes sometimes 5-7 years to build a great-elite B-Ball program.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

The point is: a mediocre football team isn't able to recruit 7 highly rated players at one position. Most of them aren't able to recruit any highly rated players.

A mediocre basketball team can recruit 2 highly rated players and go from mediocre to excellent.

It's ridiculous to argue that it would be easier to take UK football, for example, to prominence than say Kansas State basketball.

Yeah, but having 4-5 players that con contribute consistently, versus having 2 players on your team that have some flashes of brilliance and 2-3 players that can't carry the 2 guys jocks isn't how you build a successful program. You have to have 5-7 guys who can play night in and night out consistently. Look to the Big East and you'll see how to build a program. SEC gets the scraps from the ACC and Big East for the most part.

 

[golfballs]

Boy you think you're smart. No, UNC is an example of how things can go wrong. An extreme example. They are a team that recruits at the highest level and has every advantage. Most teams are not that fortunate.

there is no excuse for UNC to be this bad because simply... they are UNC. but programs like unc and ucla might have horrid years that they will come back from. what would it take for tennessee to get to that level, and how long should building something like that take?

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

there is no excuse for UNC to be this bad because simply... they are UNC. but programs like unc and ucla might have horrid years that they will come back from. what would it take for tennessee to get to that level, and how long should building something like that take?

UNC and UCLA have been built for years, UT never has.

 

[golfballs]

Why is it easier?? It's the same concept in both B-Ball and football recruiting. You have those guys that will require some polishing before they are dominant, and you have those players that will have an immediate impact. There are 347 D-1 Basketball teams and 120 D-1 Football teams. Plus, a freshman is a freshman, for the most part. There just isn't a John Wall type player each year coming into D-1 B-Ball. Freshman are still freshman. It takes sometimes 5-7 years to build a great-elite B-Ball program.

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[LawVol13]

Yeah, but having 4-5 players that con contribute consistently, versus having 2 players on your team that have some flashes of brilliance and 2-3 players that can't carry the 2 guys jocks isn't how you build a successful program. You have to have 5-7 guys who can play night in and night out consistently. Look to the Big East and you'll see how to build a program. SEC gets the scraps from the ACC and Big East for the most part.

And in football you have to have at least 22 players that contribute consistently, and to reach national championship level, you have to be able to go 2 deep at every position with all of the players contributing consistently.

To me, it's not even close, taking a team in D-1 football team from rags to riches is much, much harder than doing the same in basketball.

 

[milohimself]

And in football you have to have at least 22 players that contribute consistently, and to reach national championship level, you have to be able to go 2 deep at every position with all of the players contributing consistently.

To me, it's not even close, taking a team in D-1 football team from rags to riches is much, much harder than doing the same in basketball.

On a consistent basis? I'd actually argue that it's harder in that scenario for basketball than it is for football. Also, it's easier to do more with less in football than in basketball. For hoops, you're not making multiple Fina Fours without elite talent. Period. I doubt there are any elite basketball players that consider anything else other than a name brand school or coach that will get them NBA attention. Calipari. Boeheim. Williams. Self. Izzo.

In basketball, it takes decades and a solid consistent coaching family to be in that upper echelon.

 

[tvolsfan]

On a consistent basis? I'd actually argue that it's harder in that scenario for basketball than it is for football. Also, it's easier to do more with less in football than in basketball.

Yeah, but "more with less" isn't building a good program. It's a temporary solution until you have more. In basketball, you get more much faster.

For hoops, you're not making multiple Final Fours without elite talent. Period.

Once again, you get the talent much faster.

I doubt there are any elite basketball players that consider anything else other than a name brand school or coach that will get them NBA attention. Calipari. Boeheim. Williams. Self. Izzo.

In basketball, it takes decades and a solid consistent coaching family to be in that upper echelon.

It doesn't take decades. A good run can do wonders for your program, and good coaches can do that. It doesn't take that long.

 

[bUTrosbUTrosVOLie]

You're either against him or blindly follow. There is no in between.

Victory or Death! epper: :shades: :cool2:

 

[tvolsfan]

Plus, a freshman is a freshman, for the most part. There just isn't a John Wall type player each year coming into D-1 B-Ball.

I only started following college basketball recently, and I can already think of names like Carmelo Anthony, Greg Oden, Michael Conley, Kevin Durant, Kevin Love, Michael Beasley, Derrick Rose, and I'm sure I'm forgetting others.

It takes sometimes 5-7 years to build a great-elite B-Ball program.

And elite football programs are built faster?

 

[tvolsfan]

Kentucky was in the NIT last year. Before this season started, they were a national title contender. That doesn't happen in football.

 

[Behuman13]

I don't think Tennessee fans are the worst in the nation.
I think they are one of the most passionate, and they (We) have every right to be upset if our teams don't play up to par.

That being said, there is a difference in being upset and totally bashing a player. A few individuals on Volnation like to bash players, but that doesn't represent the others who are disappointed in the lack of effort shown or the outcome of the game, but don't totally bash an 18 year old at every opportunity.

But no matter what I say, there's still going to be haters',
Just ignore them, and be your own fan. :rock:

 

[milohimself]

Yeah, but "more with less" isn't building a good program. It's a temporary solution until you have more. In basketball, you get more much faster.


Once again, you get the talent much faster.

It doesn't take decades. A good run can do wonders for your program, and good coaches can do that. It doesn't take that long.

More with less isn't building a good program, but we're not beyond that point right now. We're relying on making second weekend runs at best with inferior talent. That's more than most programs can claim.

And you think one Final Four run is going to land us the talent necessary to do it again? That one successful year is going to lead to three or more of Scout's top 50 choosing us over Michigan State, North Carolina, Duke, Texas, Villanova, Georgetown, Syracuse, Kentucky, UCLA, Texas, Kansas, Ohio State, West Virginia, or any other number of programs that are bigger brand names in college basketball than Tennessee (I'll bet there are at least a couple dozen more)? Think again.

It's going to take years of Sweet 16/Elite 8 runs, seasons with well over 20 wins and a couple SEC titles before Tennessee basketball starts landing the talent required to consistently be in the elite discussion.

 

[utvols19]

"ut#1fan" is the worst about at this. he starts all these stupid ass treads about bashing players such as calling wayne the biggest baby or new nicknames for scotty hopson. i mean really dude your probably a fat loser who lives in your parents house and it 40 years old.

 

[tvolsfan]

More with less isn't building a good program, but we're not beyond that point right now. We're relying on making second weekend runs at best with inferior talent. That's more than most programs can claim.

Tennessee had the talent to get there a couple years ago. If we looked ahead 2 years ago and we knew we would had Smith and Chism 2 years later, we'd be expecting a lot more. We should be doing much better, but we aren't due to various reasons. We aren't doing more with less, we're doing little with what little we have now. In a better conference, we would be pretty bad. We aren't an elite program, and chances are Pearl isn't going to get us there. We aren't slowly getting to where we need to be, we're just worse off than we were 2 years ago.

And you think one Final Four run is going to land us the talent necessary to do it again? That one successful year is going to lead to three or more of Scout's top 50 choosing us over Michigan State, North Carolina, Duke, Texas, Villanova, Georgetown, Syracuse, Kentucky, UCLA, Texas, Kansas, Ohio State, West Virginia, or any other number of programs that are bigger brand names in college basketball than Tennessee (I'll bet there are at least a couple dozen more)? Think again.

If Pearl could actually get a player drafted into the NBA, recruits would start coming here. College kids will play for coaches who will get them to the next level. Tradition comes second. It's been 5 years. if recruits choose West Virginia over UT, there is probably more to it than the fact that UT wasn't a powerhouse 20 years ago.

It's going to take years of Sweet 16/Elite 8 runs, seasons with well over 20 wins and a couple SEC titles before Tennessee basketball starts landing the talent required to consistently be in the elite discussion.

Huge difference between elite team and elite program. It takes far longer to build an elite program in football, simply because it takes longer to build an elite team. In football, it takes multiple coaches bringing in big time success over a long period of time for a program to become elite.

 

[NYYVol]

A big problem with UT fans is often they tend to be satisfied with slightly better than average results with elite resources and money.

This post should have ended the thread. I've said that many times, and it is spot on.
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[Smokeybluetick]

Just throwing this out here:

Do you hate your country if you criticize the politicians that run it?

People acting like they are better fans and better people because they let blind homerism run their lives are a joke. Quit being so insecure of your own fanhood, and take the orange glasses off.

Look Timmy(Timmy= 6yr old) I put the Orange glasses on because I'm a fan of the Vols. I choose to wear the glasses,because that is what longtime fans do,those of us that are old enough to remember the last 30 years of Vol basketball appreciate what CBP has brought. I want one of the fans that criticize CBP to tell me one period in Vol history that you would like to return to if you could swap it with CBP and his era. opcorn: .... :whistling: waiting.... thats what I thought! GO VOLS AND CBP!!!!! V,B!!!!