Vaccine or not?

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joevols89 said:
Sorry, people are not developing myocarditis months or even a year after a vaccine from said vaccine, lol.
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This is quite simply not true. Keep in mind VAERS is hugely under-reported


VAERS Data Confirm Myocarditis Risk After mRNA Vaccine - Physician's Weekly

A review of adverse events data in the United States from late 2020 through the summer of 2021 confirms that adolescent males and young male adults have the highest risk for myocarditis linked to Covid-19 vaccination with either of the messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines—BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273—and that the risk is greatest after the second dose.

The analysis of 160 myocarditis cases and 1,533 controls showed an elevated risk for carditis observed in recipients of BNT162b2 vaccine but not the inactivated virus vaccine. The incidence of carditis per 100,000 doses of CoronaVac and the mRNA vaccine administered respectively was estimated to be 0.31 (95% CI, 0.13-0.66) and 0.57 (CI, 0.36- 0.90), respectively. Multivariable analyses showed that recipients of the BNT162b2 vaccine had higher odds of carditis (adjusted odds ratio [OR], 3.57; 95% CI, 1.93-6.60) compared to people who were unvaccinated.

“In conclusion, we observed an increased risk for carditis associated with the use of BNT162b2, particularly in young male persons receiving the second dose,” wrote researcher Ian Chi Kei Wong, PhD, of the Centre for Safe Medication Practice and Research
 
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VolinWayne said:
This is quite simply not true. Keep in mind VAERS is hugely under-reported


VAERS Data Confirm Myocarditis Risk After mRNA Vaccine - Physician's Weekly

A review of adverse events data in the United States from late 2020 through the summer of 2021 confirms that adolescent males and young male adults have the highest risk for myocarditis linked to Covid-19 vaccination with either of the messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines—BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273—and that the risk is greatest after the second dose.

The analysis of 160 myocarditis cases and 1,533 controls showed an elevated risk for carditis observed in recipients of BNT162b2 vaccine but not the inactivated virus vaccine. The incidence of carditis per 100,000 doses of CoronaVac and the mRNA vaccine administered respectively was estimated to be 0.31 (95% CI, 0.13-0.66) and 0.57 (CI, 0.36- 0.90), respectively. Multivariable analyses showed that recipients of the BNT162b2 vaccine had higher odds of carditis (adjusted odds ratio [OR], 3.57; 95% CI, 1.93-6.60) compared to people who were unvaccinated.

“In conclusion, we observed an increased risk for carditis associated with the use of BNT162b2, particularly in young male persons receiving the second dose,” wrote researcher Ian Chi Kei Wong, PhD, of the Centre for Safe Medication Practice and Research
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The “months or a year afterward” timeline was his objection, I’m not sure any of this addresses that unless I missed something
 
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Damage to the heart is more common than thought after receipt of Moderna’s COVID-19 booster, a new study indicates.

One in 35 health care workers at a Swiss hospital had signs of heart injury associated with the vaccine, mRNA-1273, researchers found.

Subclinical Heart Damage More Prevalent Than Thought After Moderna Vaccination: Study

Sex-specific differences in myocardial injury incidence after COVID-19 mRNA-1273 Booster Vaccination
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ejhf.2978

Conclusion
mRNA-1273 vaccine-associated myocardial injury was more common than previously thought, being mild and transient, and more frequent in women versus men. The possible protective role of IFN-λ1(IL-29) and GM-CSF warrant further studies.
 
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NashVol11 said:
The “months or a year afterward” timeline was his objection, I’m not sure any of this addresses that unless I missed something
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I don't think it necessarily always developes into a problem overnight. From what I understand it can sometimes months to develope.

Signs and symptoms
The signs and symptoms associated with myocarditis are varied, and relate either to the actual inflammation of the myocardium or to the weakness and dysfunction of the heart muscle that is secondary to the inflammation. While myocarditis may develop over periods ranging from hours to months, patients typically present with signs and symptoms that resemble heart failure, including the following:[1][10]
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Regardless if it was safe or not it’s still absurd to approve a shot with no long term safety data. And insane to push a mandate.

All for a virus with a 99 percent survival rate.
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Have no problem with the speedy approval. But the message around that should have openly stated that no one can guarantee there are no long term effects, because we have no data to prove that.

Very complex issue that should have centered around individuals above 50 or 45 or whatever being shown it might be a good choice for you, especially if you have other health issues.
 
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VolinWayne said:
This is quite simply not true. Keep in mind VAERS is hugely under-reported


VAERS Data Confirm Myocarditis Risk After mRNA Vaccine - Physician's Weekly

A review of adverse events data in the United States from late 2020 through the summer of 2021 confirms that adolescent males and young male adults have the highest risk for myocarditis linked to Covid-19 vaccination with either of the messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines—BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273—and that the risk is greatest after the second dose.

The analysis of 160 myocarditis cases and 1,533 controls showed an elevated risk for carditis observed in recipients of BNT162b2 vaccine but not the inactivated virus vaccine. The incidence of carditis per 100,000 doses of CoronaVac and the mRNA vaccine administered respectively was estimated to be 0.31 (95% CI, 0.13-0.66) and 0.57 (CI, 0.36- 0.90), respectively. Multivariable analyses showed that recipients of the BNT162b2 vaccine had higher odds of carditis (adjusted odds ratio [OR], 3.57; 95% CI, 1.93-6.60) compared to people who were unvaccinated.

“In conclusion, we observed an increased risk for carditis associated with the use of BNT162b2, particularly in young male persons receiving the second dose,” wrote researcher Ian Chi Kei Wong, PhD, of the Centre for Safe Medication Practice and Research
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You didn’t read what I said, lol.
 
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joevols89 said:
But don’t let that get in the way of the fact that people are not developing myocarditis months or even a year after a vaccine from said vaccine.
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Interesting... does that mean you believe that myocarditis CAN occur in shorter window after a jab/booster? Isn't that cause for concern by itself, regardless of how long ago the jab was given?

joevols89 said:
So unless Bronny got boosted in the last few weeks then his cardiac arrest had nothing to do with the vaccine.
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Again, under the assumption that the risk of myocarditis is only for a brief window after given the jab/booster.

If only we had been given more time to research and study the side effects, we would have a clear understanding of that time window and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

joevols89 said:
Also I don’t shop at Kroger because I’m not poor.
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Interesting. I shop at Piggly Wiggly and Food Lion. What does that make me?
 
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allvol123 said:
Have no problem with the speedy approval. But the message around that should have openly stated that no one can guarantee there are no long term effects, because we have no data to prove that.

Very complex issue that should have centered around individuals above 50 or 45 or whatever being shown it might be a good choice for you, especially if you have other health issues.
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The issue with me is I sort of know how the sausage is made. I’ve been in Med Device for almost 20 years. We’ve been waiting years for technology to be approved that Canda, Europe, Asia, etc have been using. This is stuff that would improve outcomes and be better for patients. Products that most folks have zero clue is available. It’s a pay to play scheme much of the time. Big Pharma and the FDA are as corrupt as organized crime. It’s ludicrous how quickly they got approval. Dangerous actually.
 
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joevols89 said:
You didn’t read what I said, lol.
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You said and I QUOTE "Sorry, people are not developing myocarditis months or even a year after a vaccine from said vaccine, lol."

I am saying that is simply not true. Myocarditis can sometimes take months to develope and depending on the severity of the symptoms can be overlooked.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Interesting... does that mean you believe that myocarditis CAN occur in shorter window after a jab/booster? Isn't that cause for concern by itself, regardless of how long ago the jab was given?


Again, under the assumption that the risk of myocarditis is only for a brief window after given the jab/booster.

If only we had been given more time to research and study the side effects, we would have a clear understanding of that time window and we wouldn't be having this conversation.


Interesting. I shop at Piggly Wiggly and Food Lion. What does that make me?
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Anybody who finds the need to brag about where they do or don't shop for groceries can't be taken very seriously.
 
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joevols89 said:
I didn’t mention where I shopped, actually. The original poster assumed I was masking and gloving up to visit Kroger.
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Correct. I said "do or don’t shop". You said "Also I don’t shop at Kroger because I’m not poor." That statement says a lot about your maturity and self confidence and the level of seriousness we should give you.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
The issue with me is I sort of know how the sausage is made. I’ve been in Med Device for almost 20 years. We’ve been waiting years for technology to be approved that Canda, Europe, Asia, etc have been using. This is stuff that would improve outcomes and be better for patients. Products that most folks have zero clue is available. It’s a pay to play scheme much of the time. Big Pharma and the FDA are as corrupt as organized crime. It’s ludicrous how quick they got approval. Dangerous actually.
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I agree with much of what you say. It is why I am ok with the speedy approval, not against it. Sadly, we will follow this course with almost no other medical treatments in the pipeline. Drug candidates for treatment of terminal illnesses can take 10+ years just to find out they get rejected by the FDA. It is atrocious.
 
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VolinWayne said:
Correct. I said "do or don’t shop". You said "Also I don’t shop at Kroger because I’m not poor." That statement says a lot about your maturity and self confidence and the level of seriousness we should give you.
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Yes, let’s ignore the maturity level of the original comment I was responding to when I made that statement. A stupid comment made by the poster doesn’t deserve a serious reply.
 
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joevols89 said:
Still not that poor.
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What is your adjusted gross? Or net worth? Did you earn it or were you born on 3rd base? You are the one that seems to know what is considered wealthy.

Also do you put sunscreen on your ankles when you wear your capris?
 
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Jxn Vol said:
What is your adjusted gross? Or net worth? Did you earn it or were you born on 3rd base? You are the one that seems to know what is considered wealthy.

Also do you put sunscreen on your ankles when you wear your capris?
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I made my fortune from dogecoin.
 
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