Vaccine or not?

[VolStrom]

I don't consider that being forced. You can choose to not be vaccinated. The employer can choose to not let you in the door.

What if the Social Security Administration decided to stop payments to all seniors until they got the vaccine, would you be okay with that?

 

[clarksvol00]

What if the Social Security Administration decided to stop payments to all seniors until they got the vaccine, would you be okay with that?

Wow. You just sent the goalposts to Mars.

 

[tnmarktx]

I don't consider that being forced. You can choose to not be vaccinated. The employer can choose to not let you in the door.

Even if you have religious objections?
Religious Discrimination | U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission

 

[Orangeslice13]

Wow. You just sent the goalposts to Mars.

I was trying to decide how to word that.
Well done

 

[Hunerwadel]

Even if you have religious objections?
Religious Discrimination | U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission

Requiring someone to be vaccinated if they want to work for me does not infringe on their religious freedom. They would be infringing on my rights by forcing me to adhere to their religious peculiarities.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

It is coercion, but the employee has a choice whether to accept the employer's conditions of employment or not.

Edit: like everything else, they'll have to live with the consequences of that choice. They're not being forced, nobody is pinning them down and jabbing them against their will.

******** argument.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Requiring someone to be vaccinated if they want to work for me does not infringe on their religious freedom. They would be infringing on my rights by forcing me to adhere to their religious peculiarities.

LOL Good luck with that one Chief.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Wow. You just sent the goalposts to Mars.

Not really. It is no different than an employer requiring experimental China Flu gene therapy

 

[Orangeslice13]

Not really. It is no different than an employer requiring China Flu gene therapy

Meh
In theory you paid in so it’s a retirement account and not a job or welfare payment. So not exactly like having to wear a mask to go to work

 

[Hunerwadel]

What if the Social Security Administration decided to stop payments to all seniors until they got the vaccine, would you be okay with that?

I doubt if it would be legal. If it were legal and they tried to initiate it I believe it would be a really bad idea but I wouldn't protest it.

 

[clarksvol00]

Not really. It is no different than an employer requiring China Flu gene therapy

Except its never even been proposed and would be a government taking a vested benefit instead of an employer taking a job they are not under an obligation to give you in the first place.

 

[clarksvol00]

******** argument.

I see you've got nothing.

 

[AshG]

Highly Vaccinated States Keep Worst Covid-19 Outcomes in Check as Delta Spreads, WSJ Analysis Shows — The Wall Street Journal

 

[AthensVol2007]

I’m sure being 350lb + has no bearing on his situation

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I see you've got nothing.

You do know that coercion is illegal. And I would bet that threatening someone's livelihood unless they do something against their will is as well. It will be tested in court, guaranteed. And God help us if they are allowed to do this. It is a very very slippery slope.

 

[Septic]

So now Moderna is saying they need a booster.

This never going to end.

Well... Not for the vaccinated.

My guess is that like most of the ailments we've become vaccinated against, it could be a self limiting problem for the anti vaxxers.

 

[VolStrom]

I doubt if it would be legal. If it were legal and they tried to initiate it I believe it would be a really bad idea but I wouldn't protest it.

But you have no problem with the local 7-11 requiring it as long as it doesn't affect your income right?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Well... Not for the vaccinated.

My guess is that like most of the ailments we've become vaccinated against, it could be a self limiting problem for the anti vaxxers.

LOL

 

[Hunerwadel]

LOL Good luck with that one Chief.

So if I hire someone I have to to comply with their religious ideologies? I don't think so.

 

[AthensVol2007]

Currently, only the Pfizer vaccine has been given Emergency Use Authorization in children 12+. Moderna has filed but not received authorization yet. J&J 18+. I know that Pfizer and Moderna have begun trials in younger kids (down to 5 y/o IIRC).

How do trials of this sort and magnitude work? Are families compensated on the front end (or at all?) and/or is there any manufacturer/researcher recompense in the event it turns out bad? I couldn’t imagine signing my kid up for something like this, no matter the pay day and sure as hell ain’t entertaining it for free.

 

[VolStrom]

Well... Not for the vaccinated.

My guess is that like most of the ailments we've become vaccinated against, it could be a self limiting problem for the anti vaxxers.

Were you ever in the military?

 

[Septic]

Were you ever in the military?

Yep

 

[Hunerwadel]

But you have no problem with the local 7-11 requiring it as long as it doesn't affect your income right?

I don't have any problem with 7-11requiring it whether it affects me or not.

 

[clarksvol00]

You do know that coercion is illegal. And I would bet that threatening someone's livelihood unless they do something against their will is as well. It will be tested in court, guaranteed. And God help us if they are allowed to do this. It is a very very slippery slope.

Point me to a statute. I use coercion on a regular basis. My employment policy requires everybody to start work at 8. If somebody keeps showing up late, I tell them I'll fire them. That is a coercive act.

 

[VolStrom]

Yep

How many vaccinations did you get and do you have a clue what they were for?