Vaccine or not?

[AshG]

I think we all need to take a deep breath and realize that we - the VN Politics community - is actually handling the vaccination discussion pretty well. Lots of strong, principled discussion without having to filter through obvious crazy batshot crazy.

 

[KB5252]

No joy seeing people dying needlessly because of misinformation.

What misinformation though? Did he just not have trust in the vaccine? I'll be honest, I have a huge problem with possible long term effects. We know next to nothing, and the manufacturers of the vaccine is been given immunity from consequences. I still got the vaccine but that doesn't mean I'm not skeptical. I can understand anyone having reservations.

 

[Septic]

because he post them - "see, I told you so"

He made no commentary at all - if you feel like some is telling you "see, I told you so" - that's your rational subconscious trying to get a seat at the table of denial.

 

[AshG]

What misinformation though? Did he just not have trust in the vaccine? I'll be honest, I have a huge problem with possible long term effects. We know next to nothing, and the manufacturers of the vaccine is been given immunity from consequences. I still got the vaccine but that doesn't mean I'm not skeptical. I can understand anyone having reservations.

The first rounds of babies created after the parents were vaccinated are due soon, if a wave hasn't already happened. That we've not been flooded with news of terminated pregnancies and detected defects - even from the fringe media - is a very positive sign.

 

[utvolpj]

The first rounds of babies created after the parents were vaccinated are due soon, if a wave hasn't already happened. That we've not been flooded with news of terminated pregnancies and detected defects - even from the fringe media - is a very positive sign.

Unlikely many got a brand new vaccine when young and trying to get preg. I would have stayed miles away from it during that time. There will be some but not a whole lot

 

[LouderVol]

Highly Vaccinated States Keep Worst Covid-19 Outcomes in Check as Delta Spreads, WSJ Analysis Shows — The Wall Street Journal

And yet deaths are still way down.

Worst case is Arkansas, .68 per 100k.

Covid average is still 1.7.

Still not seeing how Delta is worse.

 

[MAD]

And yet deaths are still way down.

Worst case is Arkansas, .68 per 100k.

Covid average is still 1.7.

Still not seeing how Delta is worse.

We were headed on the right track and saw the light at the end of the tunnel. The problem with delta can’t be judged on deaths, instead the strain that is being put on the healthcare system right now is because of the unvaccinated and at the moment it’s getting worse. Hopefully this will be short lived and we start getting back to normal.

 

[allvol123]

We were headed on the right track and saw the light at the end of the tunnel. The problem with delta can’t be judged on deaths, instead the strain that is being put on the healthcare system right now is because of the unvaccinated and at the moment it’s getting worse. Hopefully this will be short lived and we start getting back to normal.

So strain on the healthcare system is the issue. Like strain caused by people living in a cave for a year and now respiratory illnesses exploding in the summer, that kind of strain?

 

[MAD]

So strain on the healthcare system is the issue. Like strain caused by people living in a cave for a year and now respiratory illnesses exploding in the summer, that kind of strain?

No, the strain of the people who choose not to take a successful vaccine, that has virtually eliminated COVID hospitalizations among the hundreds of millions of human beings who’ve received them.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

The flip side is that companies who deal with respirators for chemical, nuclear, and confined spaces require that the wearer be clean shaven to prevent leakage. An effective mask cannot seal over a beard.

Same reason my company doesn't allow pilots to have beards

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

No, the strain of the people who choose not to take a successful vaccine, that has virtually eliminated COVID hospitalizations among the hundreds of millions of human beings who’ve received them.

Good for them, and thanks. Now leave me the **** alone and keep your drugs in the vials

 

[volfanhill]

Same reason my company doesn't allow pilots to have beards

Interesting. I had never considered that but it makes sense.

 

[allvol123]

No, the strain of the people who choose not to take a successful vaccine, that has virtually eliminated COVID hospitalizations among the hundreds of millions of human beings who’ve received them.

Oh, I was looking at the one that was hurting kids.

 

[LouderVol]

We were headed on the right track and saw the light at the end of the tunnel. The problem with delta can’t be judged on deaths, instead the strain that is being put on the healthcare system right now is because of the unvaccinated and at the moment it’s getting worse. Hopefully this will be short lived and we start getting back to normal.

It's a spike. We are seeing spikes everywhere. The spike is below the previous worst. As we have previously pointed out it's not just Covid taking up beds this time.

 

[MAD]

It's a spike. We are seeing spikes everywhere. The spike is below the previous worst. As we have previously pointed out it's not just Covid taking up beds this time.

These are hospitalizations in my state Florida, does it look like a spike to you?

 

[Septic]

It's a spike. We are seeing spikes everywhere. The spike is below the previous worst. As we have previously pointed out it's not just Covid taking up beds this time.

In my county, our hospital system is currently 12% over the peak from last year. 16% of the 419 currently admitted were vaccinated.

I wish they'd keep stats on vaccinated + those with naturally acquired antibody's from the illness.

 

[VolStrom]

In my county, our hospital system is currently 12% over the peak from last year. 16% of the 419 currently admitted were vaccinated.

I wish they'd keep stats on vaccinated + those with naturally acquired antibody's from the illness.

If they did, it would be hard to justify the mandatory vaccination they are planning for.

 

[tpsdave]

You’re an idiot if you think someone else’s health is any of your business.

You seem to think it is. Don't worry, the government will soon take the decisions out of your hands.

 

[tpsdave]

Except when they do

Except the one "we like", right??

 

[Ttucke11]

You seem to think it is. Don't worry, the government will soon take the decisions out of your hands.

We know, don't forget to salute the fuhrer.

 

[utvolpj]

You seem to think it is. Don't worry, the government will soon take the decisions out of your hands.

Why are you so willing to give up control of your life to others? Seems so odd to me

 

[Septic]

If they did, it would be hard to justify the mandatory vaccination they are planning for.

Or it'd reinforce that the naturally acquired immunity plus vaccination have even lower serious cases than one or the other.

 

[VolStrom]

Or it'd reinforce that the naturally acquired immunity plus vaccination have even lower serious cases than one or the other.

I know, it's kind of hard to say when they don't publish the data.

 

[Septic]

I know, it's kind of hard to say when they don't publish the data.

I doubt it's a question that's even being asked unfortunately.

 

[LouderVol]

These are hospitalizations in my state Florida, does it look like a spike to you?

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Yes. It looks like the definition of a spike. Major climb after a low.