Vaccine or not?

[Rasputin_Vol]

Right. It's really nuts that folks didn't want a vaccine vs smallpox

And so what if they didn't want to be vaccinated for small pox? If you were vaccinated, why would it have affected you? It's their choice...

 

[AthensVol2007]

And so what if they didn't want to be vaccinated for small pox? If you were vaccinated, why would it have affected you? It's their choice...

It’s the most basic question that can’t be or is refused to be answered. Deep down they know it’s not working as intended so the only thing to quell their fear is to get everyone to do it.

 

[0nelilreb]

Human nature is human nature. We could brush aside kooks back in the day, now they have a global platform, and we are obliged to indulge their tantrums.

You sound just like a 1950s southern Democrat with that post . I guess it is true about history repeating itself .. congratulations on the full circle .

 

[RikidyBones]

Need some prayers. Friend of mine (25 years old) had covid in 2020, got her second dose of vaccine (Pfizer I think) and 3 days later had a stroke. All tests have come back clean. She didn't have a pulse when emt arrived, resuscitated on the way there but looks to have severe brain damage. Looking like vegetative state at best as she's been in a coma since, 8 days ago. Drs aren't sure what happened but think it was a reaction to the vax. Not looking to argue. Just need prayers. Poor thing was scheduled to get married in two weeks.

 

[volfanhill]

Need some prayers. Friend of mine (25 years old) had covid in 2020, got her second dose of vaccine (Pfizer I think) and 3 days later had a stroke. All tests have come back clean. She didn't have a pulse when emt arrived, resuscitated on the way there but looks to have severe brain damage. Looking like vegetative state at best as she's been in a coma since, 8 days ago. Drs aren't sure what happened but think it was a reaction to the vax. Not looking to argue. Just need prayers. Poor thing was scheduled to get married in two weeks.

Prayers for her, you, and those who love her.

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

Need some prayers. Friend of mine (25 years old) had covid in 2020, got her second dose of vaccine (Pfizer I think) and 3 days later had a stroke. All tests have come back clean. She didn't have a pulse when emt arrived, resuscitated on the way there but looks to have severe brain damage. Looking like vegetative state at best as she's been in a coma since, 8 days ago. Drs aren't sure what happened but think it was a reaction to the vax. Not looking to argue. Just need prayers. Poor thing was scheduled to get married in two weeks.

That's so awful. Prayers for her and all her friends and family

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I’m confused….
I thought the argument was that the icu and hospitalization numbers were bull **** and that the vast majority of people recover easily so no need for a vaccine.

It is pretty rare. But whether you are in the ICU or are going through the less severe case, it is unreasonable to be expect people to be hunting down pharmacists.

2nd. If you know there’s a problem why are you waiting till you’re in the ICU to address it?

We are aware it is an issue right now. That was not the case in August. And I'm sure that as Biden begins to move the goalposts even more, you may even see those windows close, even if a person is aware right now. I

3rd still waiting on a study that provers ivermectin actually works vs Covid.

You've got everything that is available from India. There are also other instances where doctors here in America and in other countries have treated patients with Ivermectin. They each have their data.

Reasonable? You tagged me. I’ve moved on from the stupidity of ivermectin. It’s a placebo that I don’t care anything about.

Placebo? A Nobel prize winning medicine is a placebo?

I’m willing to change my opinion on it if someone can actually prove it works. As for now it’s just this month’s plaquenil. I can’t wait to see what the internet decides is the next Covid savior.

I've got anecdotal evidence that covers roughly two dozen people along with the trials in India and here in the US. There are several examples of it being used... along with HCQ/plaquenil, and a few others. If the FDA or any of the other approved fact checkers don't want to look at the date any further or conduct their own studies, I can't do anything about that.

The suppression on antibody therapy is concerning to me. It actually works and there’s no google reason to suppress it.

So you are willing to admit that there is suppression of the antibody therapy.... but it is beyond the realm of possibility that they could be suppressing other alternative therapeutics.

 

[Orangeslice13]

It is pretty rare. But whether you are in the ICU or are going through the less severe case, it is unreasonable to be expect people to be hunting down pharmacists.



We are aware it is an issue right now. That was not the case in August. and I'm sure that as Biden begins to move the goalposts even more, you may even see those windows close, even if a person is aware right now. I


You've got everything that is available from India. There are also other instances where doctors here in America and in other countries have treated patients with Ivermectin. They each have their data.


Placebo? A Nobel prize winning medicine is a placebo?


I've got anecdotal evidence that covers roughly two dozen people along with the trials in India and here in the US. There are several examples of it being used... along with HCQ/plaquenil, and a few others. If the FDA or any of the other approved fact checkers don't want to look at the date any further or conduct their own studies, I can't do anything about that.


So you are willing to admit that there is suppression of the antibody therapy.... but it is beyond the realm of possibility that they could be suppressing other alternative therapeutics.

Placebo, when used for Covid 19
there are studies on ivermectin. More come in every day. And they don’t say what your antidotal evidence alludes too.

That’s why we do the studies.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Oh and about plaquenil which I had great hopes for but ultimately the studies found Plaquenil worked in a test tube. But not in the human body. Because it gets converted by an enzyme in the body which makes it totally unavailable to interfere with the virus.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It’s the most basic question that can’t be or is refused to be answered. Deep down they know it’s not working as intended so the only thing to quell their fear is to get everyone to do it.

I've never understood the argument, even before COVID, about people wanting other people to be vaxxed. If the vaccines work for measles, chicken pox, mumps, etc... WTF does it matter if I get vaxxed?

 

[Orangeslice13]

@Rasputin_Vol
I’m totally in favor of you having the right to take your placebo if you want.
There was a Dr in chattanooga going around to the pharmacist trying to push the ivermectin as a treatment. I realize that it’s antidotal but he died of Covid 19.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

@Rasputin_Vol
I’m totally in favor of you having the right to take your placebo if you want.
There was a Dr in chattanooga going around to the pharmacist trying to push the ivermectin as a treatment. I realize that it’s antidotal but he died of Covid 19.

You've got one anecdotal case within your circle.
I've got two dozen anecdotal cases within my circle.

What do you do?

 

[Orangeslice13]

You've got one anecdotal case within your circle.
I've got two dozen anecdotal cases within my circle.

What do you do?

Lol
Are you drunk?
I ignore both and wait on the clinical study.
You know…..proof.

you’re ranting to others asking why do they care if you’re vaccinated. I don’t care. You do you.

Why do you care if I point out that there’s no proof that ivermectin works? I’m not stopping you from taking it. I don’t care how you run your life. You do you. (That’s actually not true. If you get sick and/or die I will be sad because I genuinely enjoy conversations with you)

I just operate on a different standard.
And I really am done talking about this till someone comes up with a study that changes things.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Lol
Are you drunk?
I ignore both and wait on the clinical study.
You know…..proof.

you’re ranting to others asking why do they care if you’re vaccinated. I don’t care. You do you.

Why do you care if I point out that there’s no proof that ivermectin works? I’m not stopping you from taking it. I don’t care how you run your life. You do you. (That’s actually not true. If you get sick and/or die I will be sad because I genuinely enjoy conversations with you)

I just operate on a different standard.
And I really am done talking about this till someone comes up with a study that changes things.

I would love to sit down and have a beer with @Rasputin_Vol. I 100% believe it would be a hoot.

 

[VolinWayne]

Need some prayers. Friend of mine (25 years old) had covid in 2020, got her second dose of vaccine (Pfizer I think) and 3 days later had a stroke. All tests have come back clean. She didn't have a pulse when emt arrived, resuscitated on the way there but looks to have severe brain damage. Looking like vegetative state at best as she's been in a coma since, 8 days ago. Drs aren't sure what happened but think it was a reaction to the vax. Not looking to argue. Just need prayers. Poor thing was scheduled to get married in two weeks.

Praying for all involved here.

 

[Electric Orange]

For me, it's Moderna. The best covid™ vaccine. I even ask for extra jabs and the Walgreens staff is so friendly and more than willing to oblige.

One time I asked for a Moderna jab and they gave me three. I said, "Wow, three for free!" and the nice friendly Walgreens pharmacist laughed and said, "I'm going to call you 3-for-free!".

Now the staff greets me with "hey it's 3-for-free!" and ALWAYS give me three jabs. It's such a fun and cool atmosphere at my local Walgreens pharmacy, I go there at least 3 times a week for jabs and pcr tests, 1-2 times for Pfizer on the weekends, and maybe once for JnJ when I'm in a rush but want to feel safe and show that I believe in the $cience!, it's fast, and can match my daily coof fearing needs.

I even jab my dog with science juice, it's safe! What a great pharmacy.

 

[VolinWayne]

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Lol
Are you drunk?
I ignore both and wait on the clinical study.
You know…..proof.

you’re ranting to others asking why do they care if you’re vaccinated. I don’t care. You do you.

Why do you care if I point out that there’s no proof that ivermectin works? I’m not stopping you from taking it. I don’t care how you run your life. You do you. (That’s actually not true. If you get sick and/or die I will be sad because I genuinely enjoy conversations with you)

I just operate on a different standard.
And I really am done talking about this till someone comes up with a study that changes things.

The India study that you continue to ignore also.

 

[Orangeslice13]

The India study that you continue to ignore also.

What India study?

 

[Orangeslice13]

I searched India Covid study and this is what came up lol
(Duck Duck Go not google)

India top source of misinformation on COVID-19: Study

Ironic

 

[Persian Vol]

And so what if they didn't want to be vaccinated for small pox? If you were vaccinated, why would it have affected you? It's their choice...

No vaccine is 100% effective. Meaning as long as there are cases, it is possible to still get affected. Ie, measles outbreaks in anti vax communities.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

Hey guys you don’t want covid, go get the vaccine.

Oh yea I have the vaccine and covid. Yay for me.

 

[Orangeslice13]

No vaccine is 100% effective. Meaning as long as there are cases, it is possible to still get affected. Ie, measles outbreaks in anti vax communities.

Well then we should change the name and just call them all therapeutics. So these poor people don’t get confused.

 

[vollygirl]

Need some prayers. Friend of mine (25 years old) had covid in 2020, got her second dose of vaccine (Pfizer I think) and 3 days later had a stroke. All tests have come back clean. She didn't have a pulse when emt arrived, resuscitated on the way there but looks to have severe brain damage. Looking like vegetative state at best as she's been in a coma since, 8 days ago. Drs aren't sure what happened but think it was a reaction to the vax. Not looking to argue. Just need prayers. Poor thing was scheduled to get married in two weeks.

Praying for everyone involved. Heartbreaking.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

You can continue this debate without me. It’s settled in my mind till the legitimate studies say otherwise

That's EXACTLY how I feel about the 'vaccines'.