Vaccine or not?

[vol445]

That makes you a rarity of rarities

Then about 350 of my friends and coworkers are also rarities. One of them was 16

 

[0nelilreb]

Sure. But sucks if you are part of that .1. Coming up on a million people.

It also would suck to be apart of the the group that have “ adverse reactions “ to it . That’s why it should be a personal choice . What is the acceptable number of adverse reactions , it always comes down to that .

 

[Orangeslice13]

It also would suck to be apart of the the group that have “ adverse reactions “ to it . That’s why it should be a personal choice . What is the acceptable number of adverse reactions , it always comes down to that .

VAERS data released today showed a total of 441,931 reports of adverse events from all age groups following COVID vaccines, including 6,985 deaths and 34,065 serious injuries. June 25, 2021.

Edit: 598,000 unvaccinated deaths from Covid in the US by that same time frame.

At that time 55% of the population had been vaccinated and their deaths are included in the 6985 deaths reported by VAERS.

take the vaccine, don’t take the vaccine, whatever…..but those are the numbers.

 

[0nelilreb]

VAERS data released today showed a total of 441,931 reports of adverse events from all age groups following COVID vaccines, including 6,985 deaths and 34,065 serious injuries. June 25, 2021.

Edit: 598,000 unvaccinated deaths from Covid in the US by that same time frame.

At that time 55% of the population had been vaccinated and their deaths are included in the 6985 deaths reported by VAERS.

take the vaccine, don’t take the vaccine, whatever…..but those are the numbers.

I don’t believe either set of numbers . I don’t believe any agency putting them out or any platform that an agenda can be pushed in either direction . What I know is there are cases that can be made for either way you decide to choose . We won’t know true numbers for 20 years .. maybe . Too much profit and political agendas involved right now .

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Not sure whether to get it or not. I’ve personally known two people die two weeks after the second dose.

Seems like an easy decision to me...

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

VAERS data released today showed a total of 441,931 reports of adverse events from all age groups following COVID vaccines, including 6,985 deaths and 34,065 serious injuries. June 25, 2021.

Edit: 598,000 unvaccinated deaths from Covid in the US by that same time frame.

At that time 55% of the population had been vaccinated and their deaths are included in the 6985 deaths reported by VAERS.

take the vaccine, don’t take the vaccine, whatever…..but those are the numbers.

Are those the actual numbers of deaths as result of the vaccine? 6985?

 

[Orangeslice13]

I don’t believe either set of numbers . I don’t believe any agency putting them out or any platform that an agenda can be pushed in either direction . What I know is there are cases that can be made for either way you decide to choose . We won’t know true numbers for 20 years .. maybe . Too much profit and political agendas involved right now .

Fair enough.
It’s a long way from 7000 to 600,000

But you do you

 

[Orangeslice13]

Are those the actual numbers of deaths as result of the vaccine? 6985?

That’s total reported deaths of vaccinated who died from Covid and/or reaction to the vaccine.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

That’s total reported deaths of vaccinated who died from Covid and/or reaction to the vaccine.

Swine flu 'debacle' of 1976 is recalled - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

Waiting in long lines at schools and clinics, more than 40 million Americans -- almost 25% of the population -- received the swine flu vaccine before the program was halted in December after 10 weeks.

More than 500 people are thought to have developed Guillain-Barre syndrome after receiving the vaccine; 25 died. No one completely understands the causes of Guillain-Barre, but the condition can develop after a bout with infection or following surgery or vaccination. The federal government paid millions in damages to people or their families.

All it took was 25 deaths back then, but we can accept 6985 now? Not saying the program should be cancelled, but just saying that it isn't even as safe and effective as the shot that went out nearly 45 years ago.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

That’s total reported deaths of vaccinated who died from Covid and/or reaction to the vaccine.

One more thing, the VAERS data is possibly flawed and represents an undercount. Apparently, the VAERS form takes about 30 minutes to complete and there is some difficulty in submitting the data to VAERS.

 

[Wafflestomper]

Swine flu 'debacle' of 1976 is recalled - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)



All it took was 25 deaths back then, but we can accept 6985 now? Not saying the program should be cancelled, but just saying that it isn't even as safe and effective as the shot that went out nearly 45 years ago.

It's not clear from that link why the program was canceled but it also says that the threat from the virus never really materialized. If covid wasn't a threat then it probably would make sense to cancel the current vaccine program.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It's not clear from that link why the program was canceled but it also says that the threat from the virus never really materialized. If covid wasn't a threat then it probably would make sense to cancel the current vaccine program.

OK, here is a story during the 2nd or 3rd week of the vaccine program back then. I wonder what was the cause of them halting it in this situation?

SWINE FLU PROGRAM IS HALTED IN 9 STATES AS 3 DIE AFTER SHOTS - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

 

[volfanhill]

Then about 350 of my friends and coworkers are also rarities. One of them was 16

Yes that also makes you and them rare

 

[BP4Prez]

Finland joins other Nordic nations in curbing Moderna shots

Vaccines Are Being Banned Across Europe Due To Risk Of Heart Inflammation

But yeah, let’s make it available to 5 year olds here. Because you know, science.

 

[Wafflestomper]

OK, here is a story during the 2nd or 3rd week of the vaccine program back then. I wonder what was the cause of them halting it in this situation?

SWINE FLU PROGRAM IS HALTED IN 9 STATES AS 3 DIE AFTER SHOTS - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

This link also says there was no evidence the shots caused the deaths. Regardless, this swine flu outbreak was not really comparable to the current pandemic and therefore comparing responses to it may not make a lot sense.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

This link also says there was no evidence the shots caused the deaths. Regardless, this swine flu outbreak was not really comparable to the current pandemic and therefore comparing responses to it may not make a lot sense.

This isn't a comparison if swine flu vs COVID. This is a comparison of the vaccine rollout for swine flu vs the vaccine rollout for COVID.

The severity of one virus over the other isn't the take away. The take away should be that they stopped the vaccine initiative in 1976 after less than 50 people died, yet we are going full steam ahead with close to 7000 deaths. And I think you are being naive if you don't think the vaccine was not the leading candidate for the cause of death.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Swine flu 'debacle' of 1976 is recalled - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)



All it took was 25 deaths back then, but we can accept 6985 now? Not saying the program should be cancelled, but just saying that it isn't even as safe and effective as the shot that went out nearly 45 years ago.

How many were dying without it?
We’ve lost over 700k unvaccinated to Covid.
That 7k could have been another 700k

 

[Orangeslice13]

One more thing, the VAERS data is possibly flawed and represents an undercount. Apparently, the VAERS form takes about 30 minutes to complete and there is some difficulty in submitting the data to VAERS.

Right.
So the number dead could be way over 700k

 

[Wafflestomper]

This isn't a comparison if swine flu vs COVID. This is a comparison of the vaccine rollout for swine flu vs the vaccine rollout for COVID.

The severity of one virus over the other isn't the take away. The take away should be that they stopped the vaccine initiative in 1976 after less than 50 people died, yet we are going full steam ahead with close to 7000 deaths. And I think you are being naive if you don't think the vaccine was not the leading candidate for the cause of death.

I'm confused--are you implying that the amount of risk we're willing to tolerate regarding the vaccine shouldn't be related to the risk of the disease it's intended to mitigate?

 

[MG1968]

I'm confused--are you implying that the amount of risk we're willing to tolerate regarding the vaccine shouldn't be related to the risk of the disease it's intended to mitigate?

The “if one person is harmed then (insert whatever you want) we shouldn’t do it” standard has been a tool of the left and the right for as long as I can remember.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

No they aren't. Do you expect companies to accept massive fines? Plus so far we have seen massive compliance when the rubber hits the road. Not that I am for any of this mandated crap.

hmmmm?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

How many were dying without it?
We’ve lost over 700k unvaccinated to Covid.
That 7k could have been another 700k

Speculative.

Again, the point is that the program was stopped after less than 50 deaths from the vaccine. There is no reason to make an experimental vaccine mandatory.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Speculative.

Again, the point is that the program was stopped after less than 50 deaths from the vaccine. There is no reason to make an experimental vaccine mandatory.

Moving the goalposts.
I’ve not argued for mandates. I’m opposed to them.
Your arguing that it should not be available because of a minimal risk while arguing for ivermectin which also has a minimal risk and kills a few people. I say both should be available.
In this case you lack consistency.

 

[AshG]

One more thing, the VAERS data is possibly flawed and represents an undercount. Apparently, the VAERS form takes about 30 minutes to complete and there is some difficulty in submitting the data to VAERS.

VAERS also lists boredom, loss of poker game, and divorce among the side effects of the Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J shots.

As soon as the public got their hands on it, validity and reliability went right out the window.

 

[AshG]

This isn't a comparison if swine flu vs COVID. This is a comparison of the vaccine rollout for swine flu vs the vaccine rollout for COVID.

The severity of one virus over the other isn't the take away. The take away should be that they stopped the vaccine initiative in 1976 after less than 50 people died, yet we are going full steam ahead with close to 7000 deaths. And I think you are being naive if you don't think the vaccine was not the leading candidate for the cause of death.

What was the N of the study with 50 deaths? What is the N of the current rollout with the alleged 7000 deaths?

P is still <0.01 for the Covid shots. Raw numbers without context means dick.