Vaccine or not?

[Rasputin_Vol]

Moving the goalposts.
I’ve not argued for mandates. I’m opposed to them.

I fully realize that. But I'm only saying that we seem to have a different tolerance level for vaccine related deaths between 1976 and now. That is all I'm highlighting. Not aimed at you directly, just pointing out the discrepancy.

Your arguing that it should not be available because of a minimal risk while arguing for ivermectin which also has a minimal risk and kills a few people. I say both should be available.
In this case you lack consistency.

I've didn't say the vaccine should not be made available. I said it shouldn't be mandatory.

Swine flu 'debacle' of 1976 is recalled - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)



All it took was 25 deaths back then, but we can accept 6985 now? Not saying the program should be cancelled, but just saying that it isn't even as safe and effective as the shot that went out nearly 45 years ago.

Speculative.

Again, the point is that the program was stopped after less than 50 deaths from the vaccine. There is no reason to make an experimental vaccine mandatory.

 

[AshG]

I fully realize that. But I'm only saying that we seem to have a different tolerance level for vaccine related deaths between 1976 and now. That is all I'm highlighting. Not aimed at you directly, just pointing out the discrepancy.


I've didn't say the vaccine should not be made available. I said it shouldn't be mandatory.

Did some very quick surface digging. Several million Swine Flu vaccines were administered in 1976. The program did not stop with 50 deaths as you stated.

And while slower to propagate, the made up BS stories made the rounds just like today. Several spectators claim to have watched a person die within seconds of receiving their shot in a Philadelphia clinic. This despite other people claiming to have seen nothing (they are lying!) and no record of the death reported by the clinic (it's a cover up!)

The fiasco of the 1976 ‘swine flu affair’

 

[Orange931]

Short answer, not

 

[Sea Ray]

Finland joins other Nordic nations in curbing Moderna shots

Vaccines Are Being Banned Across Europe Due To Risk Of Heart Inflammation

But yeah, let’s make it available to 5 year olds here. Because you know, science.

I'd be remiss if I didn't point out right wing bias here. The headline is "vaccines are being banned across Europe." The article mentions 2 countries. Do Denmark and Sweden constitute "across Europe"? I think not

 

[DuckInAPen]

Then about 350 of my friends and coworkers are also rarities. One of them was 16

You have about 350 friends and coworkers who have died from a COVID vaccine? This is a joke, right?

EDIT: I should have read more carefully . . .

 

[vol445]

You have about 350 friends and coworkers who have died from a COVID vaccine? This is a joke, right?

That’s not what I said

 

[DuckInAPen]

I'd be remiss if I didn't point out right wing bias here. The headline is "vaccines are being banned across Europe." The article mentions 2 countries. Do Denmark and Sweden constitute "across Europe"? I think not

For all intents and purposes, Denmark and Sweden constitute Europe. Southern Scandinavia is the population center and economic engine of Europe. If someone says he's taking a vacation to Europe, what immediately springs to mind? Yes, of course -- Copenhagen and Stockholm. Case closed.

EDIT -- I've just read the article and seen that Finland is mentioned as well. Still, the essential validity of your observation stands.

 

[DuckInAPen]

That’s not what I said

Forgive me -- I read far too carelessly. You're saying that about 350 of your friends and coworkers know someone (or two people?) who have died from a COVID vaccine and that one of those who died was only 16, right?

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[VolStrom]

Yeah, so what?

 

[0nelilreb]

Fair enough.
It’s a long way from 7000 to 600,000

But you do you

You know the saying —There are 3 kinds of lies …Lies , Damn Lies , and Statistics. This is the very reason why “I do me” .

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Did some very quick surface digging. Several million Swine Flu vaccines were administered in 1976. The program did not stop with 50 deaths as you stated.

And while slower to propagate, the made up BS stories made the rounds just like today. Several spectators claim to have watched a person die within seconds of receiving their shot in a Philadelphia clinic. This despite other people claiming to have seen nothing (they are lying!) and no record of the death reported by the clinic (it's a cover up!)

The fiasco of the 1976 ‘swine flu affair’

Well of course there is a modern slant to it. That article was written last September. So of course there is going to be a bias. The actual articles I posted we specifically selected because they were before 2020. No hidden agenda or no need to spin the event into something that trivial.

 

[Orangeslice13]

You know the saying —There are 3 kinds of lies …Lies , Damn Lies , and Statistics. This is the very reason why “I do me” .

 

[Velo Vol]

Yeah, so what?

There are yahoos on Twitter urging SW employees to "hold the line" (assuming this is really the reason for the canceled flights) and I'm wondering how many days of their own missed flights they'd be willing to endure before concluding this is dumb.

 

[AshG]

Well of course there is a modern slant to it. That article was written last September. So of course there is going to be a bias. I posted actual The articles I posted we specifically selected because they were before 2020. No hidden agenda or no need to spin the event into something that trivial.

I'm not quite sure I understand what you're saying. The BBC article was purely historical in nature and did not opine; it provided verifiable quantitative and qualitative data that matches with extreme closeness the LA Times article you shared.

And p values have been around for a long while. They have nothing to do with spin.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

How 'do your own research' hurts America's Covid response - CNN Video

"We should have a healthy skepticism of the information that is fed to us," Yael Eisenstat says. But a phrase like "do your own research" is often peddled by conspiracy theorists and vaccine-deniers.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I'm not quite sure I understand what you're saying. The BBC article was purely historical in nature and did not opine; it provided verifiable quantitative and qualitative data that matches with extreme closeness the LA Times article you shared.

And p values have been around for a long while. They have nothing to do with spin.

And it was written last year. There is a distinct chance that they are engaging in revisionist history in order to support a narrative. The sources I posted were written before 2020.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

No they aren't. Do you expect companies to accept massive fines? Plus so far we have seen massive compliance when the rubber hits the road. Not that I am for any of this mandated crap.

They can fire me.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Swine flu 'debacle' of 1976 is recalled - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)



All it took was 25 deaths back then, but we can accept 6985 now? Not saying the program should be cancelled, but just saying that it isn't even as safe and effective as the shot that went out nearly 45 years ago.

Not to mention that it isn't remotely as necessary.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

VAERS also lists boredom, loss of poker game, and divorce among the side effects of the Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J shots.

As soon as the public got their hands on it, validity and reliability went right out the window.

Kind of like the government getting their hands on the other side of it.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

What was the N of the study with 50 deaths? What is the N of the current rollout with the alleged 7000 deaths?

P is still <0.01 for the Covid shots. Raw numbers without context means dick.

Now do the disease itself.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Yeah, so what?

People get pizzed if they don't get to Disney when they want.

 

[vol445]

Forgive me -- I read far too carelessly. You're saying that about 350 of your friends and coworkers know someone (or two people?) who have died from a COVID vaccine and that one of those who died was only 16, right?

Can’t say they died from the vaccine but they were healthy before the second dose was administered. And yes one was 16 the other was 60.

 

[DonjoVol]

Well of course there is a modern slant to it. That article was written last September. So of course there is going to be a bias. I posted actual The articles I posted we specifically selected because they were before 2020. No hidden agenda or no need to spin the event into something that trivial.

Some people will try to argue regardless of the evidence you show them. I'm beginning to think some of these people on here would try to argue a square peg through a round hole if they had the chance.

 

[DonjoVol]

People get pizzed if they don't get to Disney when they want.

Plus some schools are on fall break. Which could mean family vacations. People are sadly mistaken if they think pilots and air traffic controllers are easily replaceable these days.