Vaccine or not?

Teaching my children don’t do drugs and suggesting the same to their friends but understanding that adults have the FREE WILL to make their own CHOICES as to what SUBSTANCES toxic or healthy that they put in THEIR OWN BODIES. 😁

You do know they put you in jail for simply possessing drugs, right? As far as I know, no one is going to jail for not taking a shot (well, maybe aside from the military).
 
You do know they put you in jail for simply possessing drugs, right? As far as I know, no one is going to jail for not taking a shot (well, maybe aside from the military).

Give them a minute as they don’t have all the quarantine camps built and staffed yet.
 
But they are mostly preventable... and a leading comorbidity for a lot of the people that are hospitalized and/or dying from COVID.

Yet no mention or strong effort is made in regards to diet and exercise (not that I am for govt intervention in those areas, I'm simply highlighting the hypocrisy).
You’re clearly not paying attention.
Have you tried to buy a 24 oz coke in New York.
I guess you missed the proposed 1 burger per person a week legislative efforts.

Again you keep trying to move the goalposts to an argument I’m not making and I’m against. You’re getting close to the “ok” response
 
This actually isn't new for the military. When I was in, they threatened to court martial people who refused the anthrax vaccine.

Yep they did and I totally understand soldiers not wanting to take these experimental EUA Covid shots.
I personally knew of multiple members of the 24th ID that came back to FT. Stewart with severe Gulf War Sickness. Wonder if any of those “unapproved/experimental” shots played a part in that...

Vaccinations - Troops sent to the Gulf were given a large cocktail of vaccinations in a short period of time. In total, US servicemen may have received as many as 17 different vaccines, including live vaccines (polio and yellow fever) as well as experimental vaccines that had not been approved (anthrax, botulinum toxoid) and were of doubtful efficacy . In the UK, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) has declared only 10 vaccines given but reports from veterans and official documents seem to tell a different story.

A large 2002 study of 900 veterans found a strong correlation between the anthrax vaccine and subsequent ill health (15). The study indicated that those who received anthrax vaccines reported more adverse reactions than those who did not receive the anthrax vaccine. It also found that the more severe any initial reaction to the vaccine was, the more severe long term health effects were.

A lot of recent research has involved studying the effects of vaccines that use pertussis, the bacteria responsible for whooping cough, as an adjunct. It has been proposed that the use of pertussis as an adjuvant could trigger neurodegeneration by increasing secretion of certain immune chemicals, such as interleukin-1beta, in the brain. In turn, brain lesions may be sustained by stress or neurotoxic chemical combinations (16) Pertussis vaccine was used in the gulf "off-label", which means it wasn't approved to be used on servicemen as it was. It's use in the gulf war can thus be classed as experimental. The manufacturers of pertussis were not advised of this unlicensed use.
 
Who forced him to get it? Was his livelihood threatened if he didn't do it? Or was it a conscious decision HE made concerning HIS health after weighing the risks? But I am sure by him getting it, he saved countless other lives... right?
Just like Ras you want to twist the argument to things that bother you. Take that up with people making that argument
 
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For all intents and purposes, Denmark and Sweden constitute Europe. Southern Scandinavia is the population center and economic engine of Europe. If someone says he's taking a vacation to Europe, what immediately springs to mind? Yes, of course -- Copenhagen and Stockholm. Case closed.

EDIT -- I've just read the article and seen that Finland is mentioned as well. Still, the essential validity of your observation stands.
Sarcasm?
 
You do know they put you in jail for simply possessing drugs, right? As far as I know, no one is going to jail for not taking a shot (well, maybe aside from the military).
Is that the only possible force?

Basically you are arguing because it's not yet as bad as it could be, it doesnt count?

Why minimize what is going on? Everyone sees it happening. And it's not about safety, it's about compliance.
 
So apparantly digital passports that are block chain based are to be the new norm??? So eventually will this mean that those of us who refuse the jab will be limited in what we can purchase


Digital documentation of COVID-19 certificates: vaccination status: technical specifications and implementation guidance, 27 August 2021
View attachment 401779


Below is a description in one of the patents that has been filed.
CRYPTOCURRENCY SYSTEM USING BODY ACTIVITY DATA
Abstract

Human body activity associated with a task provided to a user may be used in a mining process of a cryptocurrency system. A server may provide a task to a device of a user which is communicatively coupled to the server. A sensor communicatively coupled to or comprised in the device of the user may sense body activity of the user. Body activity data may be generated based on the sensed body activity of the user. The cryptocurrency system communicatively coupled to the device of the user may verify if the body activity data satisfies one or more conditions set by the cryptocurrency system, and award cryptocurrency to the user whose body activity data is verified.

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/067396975/publication/WO2020060606A1?q=WO2020060606 &queryLang=en:de:fr
That is the direction we are heading in. You won't be able to buy, sell or trade unless you obey these authoritarians and their mandates.
 
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Again you keep trying to move the goalposts to an argument I’m not making and I’m against. You’re getting close to the “ok” response
I clearly know where you stand with regards to the mandates. Me copying or replying to one of your posts may have been taken as me coming after your position, but that wasn't the intention. I was only trying to highlight the hypocrisy in the two situations. You just happened to be the one that posted the death totals on VAERS and that opened the door for me to contrast the 1976 reaction to what we have going on right now.
 
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That is the direction we are heading in. You want be able to buy, sell or trade unless you obey these authoritarians and their mandates.
Even more incredible is the fact that, unlike European countries that are requiring digital passports/cards, the U.S. is completely ignoring naturally-acquired immunity.
 
You’re clearly not paying attention.
Have you tried to buy a 24 oz coke in New York.
I guess you missed the proposed 1 burger per person a week legislative efforts.
I faintly remember some taxes that were proposed several years ago in either Philly or NYC with regards to soft drinks, but I am not aware of any such laws being proposed as a measure to fight COVID. Not saying they don't exist, I'm just saying I am not aware of any COVID related dietary or exercise measures.
 
Even more incredible is the fact that, unlike European countries that are requiring digital passports/cards, the U.S. is completely ignoring naturally-acquired immunity.
This is what gets me. Why ignore/actively reject natural immunity?

If they allowed for natural.immunity I would be much more inclined to believe this was about safety.
 
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For all intents and purposes, Denmark and Sweden constitute Europe. Southern Scandinavia is the population center and economic engine of Europe. If someone says he's taking a vacation to Europe, what immediately springs to mind? Yes, of course -- Copenhagen and Stockholm. Case closed.

EDIT -- I've just read the article and seen that Finland is mentioned as well. Still, the essential validity of your observation stands.
Not sure if you’re being sarcastic or if you actually believe what you typed here.
 
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This is what gets me. Why ignore/actively reject natural immunity?

If they allowed for natural.immunity I would be much more inclined to believe this was about safety.
My mother asked me this very question yesterday. I told her that I'm not inclined to be a Conspiracist, but the wholesale, blind rejection of naturally-acquired immunity is nearly impossible to explain any other way.
 
Is that the only possible force?

Basically you are arguing because it's not yet as bad as it could be, it doesnt count?

Why minimize what is going on? Everyone sees it happening. And it's not about safety, it's about compliance.

No, that's not at all what I was arguing.
 
My mother asked me this very question yesterday. I told her that I'm not inclined to be a Conspiracist, but the wholesale, blind rejection of naturally-acquired immunity is nearly impossible to explain any other way.
They can’t keep track of all those who have recovered from natural infection. Especially if they never sought treatment, had mild symptoms, etc. The vaccination mandate is all about control and nothing else.
 
What do you mean? I think it's a colossal waste of time, money and resource

I mean we've been wasting money on the war on drugs and putting people in jail for using substances in their own bodies for decades. But what sparks outrage is the government using its influence to encourage people to get a vaccine to mitigate the effects of a disease that has killed more than 600,000 Americans. Just seems odd that these are our collective values.
 
I mean we've been wasting money on the war on drugs and putting people in jail for using substances in their own bodies for decades. But what sparks outrage is the government using its influence to encourage people to get a vaccine to mitigate the effects of a disease that has killed more than 600,000 Americans. Just seems odd that these are our collective values.
There is a VAST difference between encourage and force (mandate). It is not even close. They can encourage all they want, but when they pressure businesses that do business with them to require it, that is off the reservation.

Stop looking at that big number. The percentage of those that die because of it is still insignificant.
 
That is the direction we are heading in. You won't be able to buy, sell or trade unless you obey these authoritarians and their mandates.


That is the direction we are heading in. You won't be able to buy, sell or trade unless you obey these authoritarians and their mandates.


I never in my wildest dreams thought it would be trending that way this quickly. The first thing that jumped out at me was all of the 6s in the patent number.
 
There is a VAST difference between encourage and force (mandate). It is not even close. They can encourage all they want, but when they pressure businesses that do business with them to require it, that is off the reservation.

Stop looking at that big number. The percentage of those that die because of it is still insignificant.

Who is forcing? Creating a difficult decision isn't forcing. Putting you in jail is force. Holding you down and giving you the vaccine is force.

They're ruining people's lives putting them in jail and making them felons for using drugs and we're complaining about a vaccine that's supposed to prevent people from dying. Again, seems odd to me.
 
Who is forcing? Creating a difficult decision isn't forcing. Putting you in jail is force. Holding you down and giving you the vaccine is force.

They're ruining people's lives putting them in jail and making them felons for using drugs and we're complaining about a vaccine that's supposed to prevent people from dying. Again, seems odd to me.
Being unable to feed your family is force. But congrats, you both applauded and complained about massive govt overreach in one post. Usually we have to search to find such contradiction
 

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