Vaccine or not?

[NorthDallas40]

Does the science say asymptomatic, fully vaxxed players need to be tested weekly?

That’s your take away? They did this because it was hurting revenue plain and simple.

And why would “science” say to ever test healthy asymptomatic people if the first damn place?

 

[BreatheUT]

How can people take this dictator.

De Blasio's Pitch To Unvaxxed: 'Your Paycheck Depends On It' And So Does 'Your Ability To Enjoy Life'

This is a direct assault on liberty. How this guy is not ordered to resign immediately, I have no clue.

 

[AthensVol2007]

First of all - "they" imply, you infer.

Based on your comments and cited text and what has been a consistent refrain from the WH, "they" want American's to get vaccinated because it keeps people from getting very, very ill in the vast majority of cases. Keeping folks from getting very ill, keeps the hospitals from being overwhelmed.

Dude, I'm to the point where I don't g.a.s. about the anti-vaxxers at this point, please - don't get it. I WHOLLY support your wishes to not get vaccinated and would find it abhorrent if the .gov makes it a requirement. Along the same lines I'll continue to question (and mock) the intelligence of the anti vaxxers and if you get sick and croak (as many have) - bye Felicia.

You’re going to die on the hill that “experts” and/or politicians have not said, post-Alpha, that the vaccine will aid in transmission reduction?

Except many haven’t croaked as you suggest. The numbers greatly support the exact opposite and what you disingenuously leave out is the risk factors by age. An overall CFR rate of 1.5% is greatly skewed by the 9%+ CFR of those 65+. The US demographic over 65 makes up 17% of our population yet they make up 75% of all deaths. Further broken down, the subset of the population over 75 makes up 7% of our population, yet account for 52% of all deaths. Over 1% of the entire population over 65 has died from Covid, 0.1% of the total population under 65 has died from Covid. It’s a virus that negatively impacts a certain segment of the population at a rate of 10x the rest of the country.

 

[ButchPlz]

You’re going to die on the hill that “experts” and/or politicians have not said, post-Alpha, that the vaccine will aid in transmission reduction?

Except many haven’t croaked as you suggest. The numbers greatly support the exact opposite and what you disingenuously leave out is the risk factors by age. An overall CFR rate of 1.5% is greatly skewed by the 9%+ CFR of those 65+. The US demographic over 65 makes up 17% of our population yet they make up 75% of all deaths. Further broken down, the subset of the population over 75 makes up 7% of our population, yet account for 52% of all deaths. Over 1% of the entire population over 65 has died from Covid, 0.1% of the total population under 65 has died from Covid. It’s a virus that negatively impacts a a certain segment of the population at a rate of 10x the rest of the country.

Which is genuinely not shocking.

 

[hog88]

They aren't anymore. They changed their testing protocols after this recent outbreak.

A memo, obtained by NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport, sent to all 32 teams states that fully vaccinated, asymptomatic individuals will no longer be subject to weekly testing. If a fully vaccinated player or staff member reports symptoms that person will immediately be isolated and tested, and will not be permitted to interact with any player or tiered staff until producing a negative test.

New COVID-19 protocols to feature targeted testing of fully vaccinated players, staff

Good, that's a start back towards common sense.

 

[hog88]

This is a direct assault on liberty. How this guy is not ordered to resign immediately, I have no clue.

Nobody can order him to resign. That's not how it works.

What I can't understand is why the people of NYC haven't started a recall.

 

[BreatheUT]

Nobody can order him to resign. That's not how it works.

What I can't understand is why the people of NYC haven't started a recall.

Well the cretin leaves office next month.

 

[hog88]

Well the cretin leaves office next month.

Good point, I forgot about that. Anyone know if the next mayor is any better or worse?

 

[BP4Prez]

They aren't anymore. They changed their testing protocols after this recent outbreak.

A memo, obtained by NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport, sent to all 32 teams states that fully vaccinated, asymptomatic individuals will no longer be subject to weekly testing. If a fully vaccinated player or staff member reports symptoms that person will immediately be isolated and tested, and will not be permitted to interact with any player or tiered staff until producing a negative test.

New COVID-19 protocols to feature targeted testing of fully vaccinated players, staff

Lol they are changing the rules because it’s directly effecting their pocket books. Doesn’t make it any less prevalent. Vaccinated with Covid are just as likely to spread it as the unvaccinated.

I fully agree that asymptomatic should not be tested, though. We should not be testing unvaccinated asymptomatic people either. Hopefully others will follow this lead.

 

[NorthDallas40]

This is a direct assault on liberty. How this guy is not ordered to resign immediately, I have no clue.

He’s got a little under two weeks left to continue his ass hattery then he’s gone.

 

[05_never_again]

It is absolutely hilarious to be that de Blasio thought he could be President.

 

[Zues1]

Good point, I forgot about that. Anyone know if the next mayor is any better or worse?

I'll go out on a limb and say most likely not .
A lot of New Yorkers think the Cuomo crime family are great people and were railroaded

 

[ButchPlz]

Regarding these hospitals posting their stats- our local hospital did one of those, and in the tiniest of footnotes they counted non-boosted people as "unvaccinated". This is what fudges the numbers greatly in a certain way.

They were forthcoming enough to note the average age for people that are ill- well into the 60s.

 

[LouderVol]

Who has had 4 shots? Fake news

Rewind some months ago and the third shot was fake news. Then it was only for the at risk. Now it's for everyone.

Also I wonder what they changed with the booster shot? 2 shots isnt effective but a third is? Is it just timing? Or did the formula change somehow in that third shot? So if I had my first, and just got the second would I be good because I had the new formula?

If nothing changed, it seems like they have the concentration wrong.(may be the wrong medical term). If so, why not just up the concentration? So it's just one shot? Or back to the two?

 

[Septic]

You’re going to die on the hill that “experts” and/or politicians have not said, post-Alpha, that the vaccine will aid in transmission reduction?

Except many haven’t croaked as you suggest. The numbers greatly support the exact opposite and what you disingenuously leave out is the risk factors by age. An overall CFR rate of 1.5% is greatly skewed by the 9%+ CFR of those 65+. The US demographic over 65 makes up 17% of our population yet they make up 75% of all deaths. Further broken down, the subset of the population over 75 makes up 7% of our population, yet account for 52% of all deaths. Over 1% of the entire population over 65 has died from Covid, 0.1% of the total population under 65 has died from Covid. It’s a virus that negatively impacts a certain segment of the population at a rate of 10x the rest of the country.

Cite your source or gtfo.

I've asked you once and you fell flat on your face by quoting Biden who didn't say anything close to what you're asserting.

Stop moving the goal posts - who specifically said that taking vaccines will prevent transmission?

 

[ButchPlz]

Rewind some months ago and the third shot was fake news. Then it was only for the at risk. Now it's for everyone.

Also I wonder what they changed with the booster shot? 2 shots isnt effective but a third is? Is it just timing? Or did the formula change somehow in that third shot? So if I had my first, and just got the second would I be good because I had the new formula?

If nothing changed, it seems like they have the concentration wrong.(may be the wrong medical term). If so, why not just up the concentration? So it's just one shot? Or back to the two?

There's no formula change, that's for sure- which is why none of this booster crap makes sense unless the initial two just don't work.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Worth noting that most of the players that have tested are asymptomatic and are only missing 1 game and 0 games in some cases. That's kinda the whole point of the vaccine.

1 game is a lot in a 16/17 game schedule. It ain't like baseball or even NBA.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You have far too much faith in this corrupt system ACB, Roberts and Kavanaugh are not going to go against the mandates. They are worthless.

Supreme Court Asks Biden Admin To Respond To Flurry Of Challenges To OSHA Mandate | ZeroHedge

Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, a Trump nominee, told administration officials to file responses to applications from faith groups, companies, and attorneys general from over half the states in the country by 4 p.m. on Dec. 30.

 

[LouderVol]

First of all - "they" imply, you infer.

Based on your comments and cited text and what has been a consistent refrain from the WH, "they" want American's to get vaccinated because it keeps people from getting very, very ill in the vast majority of cases. Keeping folks from getting very ill, keeps the hospitals from being overwhelmed. Stability keeps the economy humming and the markets stable - things that everyone should want.

Dude, I'm almost to the point where I don't g.a.s. about the anti-vaxxers at this point, so please - don't get it. I WHOLLY support your wishes to not get vaccinated and would find it abhorrent if the .gov makes it a requirement. Along the same lines I'll continue to question (and mock) the intelligence of the anti vaxxers and if you get sick and croak (as many have) - bye Felicia.

But not question or mock the people who push the vaccine but get it anyway? Seems like that's where the irony is.

It's amazing how the derision only goes one way, who complies. Regardless of the result, actual safety.

Please continue to act like pretty much anyone's take has ever been about actual safety.

 

[LouderVol]

They aren't anymore. They changed their testing protocols after this recent outbreak.

A memo, obtained by NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport, sent to all 32 teams states that fully vaccinated, asymptomatic individuals will no longer be subject to weekly testing. If a fully vaccinated player or staff member reports symptoms that person will immediately be isolated and tested, and will not be permitted to interact with any player or tiered staff until producing a negative test.

New COVID-19 protocols to feature targeted testing of fully vaccinated players, staff

So it's not about safety. Universal testing.
It's about compliance, are you vaxxed?

The charade continues for the virtue signalers.

 

[Septic]

But not question or mock the people who push the vaccine but get it anyway? Seems like that's where the irony is.

It's amazing how the derision only goes one way, who complies. Regardless of the result, actual safety.

Please continue to act like pretty much anyone's take has ever been about actual safety.

I don't follow.

Are you asking why I wouldn't mock someone for getting a vaccine they believe in? Probably because I wouldn't bang on someone for trusting the overwhelming amount of data that shows the vaccine as being helpful.

Are you suggesting that everyone who got the vaccine is a sheep who got it simply to "comply?"

 

[C-south]

Worth noting that most of the players that have tested are asymptomatic and are only missing 1 game and 0 games in some cases. That's kinda the whole point of the vaccine.

The vaccine is no guarantee in being asymptomatic. Most young/healthy people are already asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms even without the vaccine.

 

[LouderVol]

Does the science say asymptomatic, fully vaxxed players need to be tested weekly?

Does the science say asymptomatic people need to be tested weekly? Based purely on the totals there is still less than a 17% chance a person has ever contracted Covid in almost 2 years. Take that risk factor and break it into two week windows that comes out to an individual risk at this given window of less than 1%.

Where is the science to test based on that risk?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Does the science say asymptomatic people need to be tested weekly? Based purely on the totals there is still less than a 17% chance a person has ever contracted Covid in almost 2 years. Take that risk factor and break it into two week windows that comes out to an individual risk at this given window of less than 1%.

Where is the science to test based on that risk?

No science was applied at all as you implied earlier. It’s solely about compliance… until it hit revenues.

 

[LouderVol]

I don't follow.

Are you asking why I wouldn't mock someone for getting a vaccine they believe in? Probably because I wouldn't bang on someone for trusting the overwhelming amount of data that shows the vaccine as being helpful.

Are you suggesting that everyone who got the vaccine is a sheep who got it simply to "comply?"

No I am suggesting our society, including you, care more about compliance, than safety.

If you cared about safety, you wouldn't mock those who died or got seriously sick at all. Regardless of vaccine status.

However, if you only care about compliance ,with a vaccine that isnt a 100% guarentee, it makes far more sense for you to mock those who didnt get vaccinated but still got sick. While not mocking those who got the vaccine and get sick. The only thing that changes, and thus can be mocked, is their vaccine status.

I would consider anyone considering anything other than dirrect medical advice from their doctor on their vaccine status to be sheep. And that's vaxxed or unvaxxed.