Vaccine or not?

[AthensVol2007]

SHOCK As 4th Football Player Dies This Week – Algerian Sofiane Loukar Dead After Suffering Heart Attack

Coincidence that 4 top flight athletes all have bad hearts, nothing to see here

 

[Orangeslice13]

You protect individual liberties by electing state officials that will tell the federal govt to piss off, not ones that enact the type of tyranny you agree with.

2nd

 

[Orangeslice13]

My money is on hypertrophic cardiomyopathy.

Guys like Reggie Lewis were doing this before it was cool.

These athletes, with notable careers, experienced sudden cardiac death by age 40.

• Mohamed Abdelwahab, 22 (2006), soccer
• Gaines Adams, 26 (2010), Amer. football
• Jaouad Akaddar, 28 (2012), soccer
• Davide Astori, 31 (2018), soccer
• Víctor Hugo Ávalos, 37 (2009), soccer
• Heath Benedict, 24 (2008), Amer. football
• Hédi Berkhissa, 24 (1997), soccer
• Pedro Berruezo, 27 (1973), soccer
• Viktor Blinov, 22 (1968), ice hockey
• Gilbert Bulawan, 29 (2016), basketball
• J. V. Cain, 28 (1979), Amer. football
• Sékou Camara, 27 (2013), soccer
• Alexei Cherepanov, 19 (2008), ice hockey
• Mitchell Cole, 27 (2012), soccer
• Jason Collier, 28 (2005), basketball
• Hugo Cunha, 28 (2005), soccer
• Renato Curi, 24 (1977), soccer
• Alexander Dale Oen, 26 (2012), swimming
• Frankie de la Cruz, 37 (2021), baseball
• Shane del Rosario, 30 (2013), MMA
• Ben Idrissa Dermé, 34 (2016), soccer
• Lyle Downs, 24 (1921), Austral. football
• Patrick Ekeng, 26 (2016), soccer
• Bobsam Elejiko, 30 (2011), soccer
• Derrick Faison, 36 (2004), Amer. football
• Sebastian Faisst, 20 (2009), handball
• Miklós Fehér, 24 (2004), soccer
• Neil Fingleton, 36 (2017), basketball
• Marc-Vivien Foé, 28 (2003), soccer
• Matt Gadsby, 27 (2006), soccer
• Hank Gathers, 23 (1990), basketball
• Cristian Gómez, 27 (2015), soccer
• Michael Goolaerts, 23 (2018), cycling
• Larry Gordon, 28 (1983), Amer. football
• Herb Gorman, 28 (1953), baseball
• Rasmus Green, 26 (2006), soccer
• Sergei Grinkov, 28 (1995), figure skating
• Eddie Guerrero, 38 (2005), wrestling
• Frank Hayes, 35 (1923), horse racing
• Thomas Herrion, 23 (2005), Amer. football
• Cătălin Hîldan, 24 (2000), soccer
• Dixie Howell, 40 (1960), baseball
• Chuck Hughes, 28 (1971), Amer. football
• Flo Hyman, 31 (1986), volleyball
• Endurance Idahor, 25 (2010), soccer
• Robbie James, 40 (1998), soccer
• Daniel Jarque, 26 (2009), soccer
• Cristiano Júnior, 25 (2004), soccer
• Joe Kennedy, 28 (2007), baseball
• Darryl Kile, 33 (2002), baseball
• John Kirkby, 23 (1953), soccer
• Michael Klein, 33 (1993), soccer
• György Kolonics, 36 (2008), canoeing
• Wayne Larkin, 29 (1968), ice hockey
• Rauli Levonen, 28 (1981), ice hockey
• Reggie Lewis, 27 (1993), basketball
• José Lima, 37 (2010), baseball
• David Longhurst, 25 (1990), soccer
• Nikola Mantov, 23 (1973), soccer
• Pete Maravich, 40 (1988), basketball
• Alex Marques, 20 (2013), soccer
• Jesse Marunde, 27 (2007), weightlifting
• Scott Mason, 28 (2005), cricket
• Naoki Matsuda, 34 (2011), soccer
• Stan Mauldin, 27 (1948), Amer. football
• Cormac McAnallen, 24 (2004), Gaelic football
• Conrad McRae, 29 (2000), basketball
• Fab Melo, 26 (2017), basketball
• Nilton Pereira Mendes, 30 (2006), soccer
• Igor Misko, 23 (2010), ice hockey
• Stéphane Morin, 29 (1998), ice hockey
• Piermario Morosini, 25 (2012), soccer
• Carl Morton, 39 (1983), baseball
• Damien Nash, 24 (2007), Amer. football
• Frederiek Nolf, 21 (2009), cycling
• Chaswe Nsofwa, 28 (2007), soccer
• Gábor Ocskay, 33 (2009), ice hockey
• Phil O'Donnell, 35 (2007), soccer
• Samuel Okwaraji, 25 (1989), soccer
• David Oniya, 30 (2015), soccer
• Alen Pamić, 23 (2013), soccer
• Pavão, 26 (1973), soccer
• Bruno Pezzey, 39 (1994), soccer
• Pheidippides, c. 40 (490 BC), marathon
• Antonio Puerta, 22 (2007), soccer
• Petar Radaković, 29 (1966), soccer
• Mickey Renaud, 19 (2008), ice hockey
• Bernardo Ribeiro, 26 (2016), soccer
• Darcy Robinson, 26 (2007), ice hockey
• Brad Rone, 34 (2003), boxing
• Omar Sahnoun, 24 (1980), soccer
• Serginho, 30 (2004), soccer
• Ryan Shay, 28 (2007), marathon
• Dave Sparks, 26 (1954), Amer. football
• Cheick Tioté, 30 (2017), soccer
• Robert Traylor, 34 (2011), basketball
• Zeke Upshaw, 26 (2018), basketball
• Luciano Vendemini, 24 (1977), basketball
• Ginty Vrede, 22 (2008), kickboxing
• Frank Warfield, 35 (1932), baseball
• Chandler Williams, 27 (2013), Amer. football
• David "Soldier" Wilson, 23 (1906), soccer
• Sergejs Žoltoks, 31 (2004), ice hockey

The 2nd highest at risk category when the red women worked in the cath lab was mid 30s bicycle nuts. It was scary how many of those guys who bike 50 miles a day drop dead.

 

[AshG]

Deep Creek area?

Cresaptown / Bel Air.

 

[hog88]

The 2nd highest at risk category when the red women worked in the cath lab was mid 30s bicycle nuts. It was scary how many of those guys who bike 50 miles a day drop dead.

Best friends dad was a marathoner, long distance bike rider even coached cross country at a local university, ran and biked even into his 60s. Dropped dead from a sudden heart attack at 67 or so.

 

[C-south]

Libertarianism isn't about being "OK" with behavior. It's about protecting rights, and as long as a business isn't violating someone's rights, you can't use the government to violate theirs. That's it. Don't like what twitter's doing? You don't have to be OK with them. Delete it off your phone. Tell other people why they suck. Organize a protest. Organize a social media campaign against them. Just don't use the government to violate rights.

Unless it’s convenient for libs….

 

[tnmarktx]

Yep, the one good thing about Covid is it has taken the mask off a lot of people.

This is an ironic statement on this forum unless you're admittedly including yourself.

 

[hog88]

This is an ironic statement on this forum unless you're admittedly including yourself.

I am not. I've been pretty consistent this whole time.

 

[DynaLo]

Even Donald Trump is tired of the antivaxers.

and they’re getting pretty tired of him and his jab ego as well.

 

[tnmarktx]

I am not. I've been pretty consistent this whole time.

So you admit that you're more uniparty than an opposition? Because uniparty favors corporatocracy over what people want.

 

[DynaLo]

Is that vaccinated counting only fully vaccinated people and are any one out two jabs only folks being counted as unvaxxed since they don’t meet the CDC requirements for fully vaxxed?

 

[hog88]

So you admit that you're more uniparty than an opposition? Because uniparty favors corporatocracy over what people want.

LOL

No, that;s not not anywhere close to my position. It's absolutely stupid and a failure of government to "give people what they want". The .gov shouldn't be concerned about what people want, it should only do the things it's required to do by the constitution (federal and states). At no level of government should they be mandating employment policy.

 

[MAD]

and they’re getting pretty tired of him and his jab ego as well.

I guess you are right Antivaxers would rather listen to this stuff instead I guess.











Not Covid But targeted by biological agents at their event

 

[tnmarktx]

At no level of government should they be mandating employment policy.

Yet every time some numbnuts pipes up to laud a vaccine mandate you are quick to come to their defense. As a private business owner you absolutely have the right to impose ignorant mandates as you see fit. You're still liable for personal injury as a result of mandating something as a requirement of employment. You still have to follow laws in the jurisdiction of where you decide to do business.

 

[hog88]

Yet every time some numbnuts pipes up to laud a vaccine mandate you are quick to come to their defense. As a private business owner you absolutely have the right to impose ignorant mandates as you see fit. You're still liable for personal injury as a result of mandating something as a requirement of employment. You still have to follow laws in the jurisdiction of where you decide to do business.

I realize that you’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer so I’ll break it down for you.

I support no vaccine mandates whether they are from the government or private employers. I absolutely believe that the federal government has no authority to mandate the covid vaccine outside of federal employees. I absolutely believe that private parties should have complete autonomy in setting their own policies in regards to employment and service. It’s an individual organization decision and it should be left to the individual organization.

 

[Septic]

Yet every time some numbnuts pipes up to laud a vaccine mandate you are quick to come to their defense. As a private business owner you absolutely have the right to impose ignorant mandates as you see fit. You're still liable for personal injury as a result of mandating something as a requirement of employment. You still have to follow laws in the jurisdiction of where you decide to do business.

I've only seen @hog88 defend business' ability to make it's own employment decisions and to be subject to less regulation, never have I seen him defend a "mandate."

 

[tnmarktx]

I absolutely believe that private parties should have complete autonomy in setting their own policies in regards to employment and service. It’s an individual organization decision and it should be left to the individual organization.

You actually believe that you own your employees. You're wrong about that. You try to come off as a conservative and call others out and your simply a uniparty guy. If you keep coming to the defense of those that favor people being fired for not taking a vaccine, I'll continue to call you out on it.

 

[DynaLo]

Looking around and thinking I’ve seen all this stuff happening mentioned somewhere before...

"between capitalist and communist society there lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat".

 

[hog88]

You actually believe that you own your employees. You're wrong about that. You try to come off as a conservative and call others out and your simply a uniparty guy. If you keep coming to the defense of those that favor people being fired for not taking a vaccine, I'll continue to call you out on it.

No I don't believe that I own my employees, it's pretty obvious that I don't because any/all of them could quit at any time.

I'm not defending any businesses that have implemented a vaccine mandate, I have defended their right to implement one. I feel the same about a businesses right to fire an employee should they refuse to work in an unvaccinated workplace.

I don't support vaccine mandates of any kind I simply support the right of the private sector to decide for themselves on whether it's right for them or not. That's the thing about freedom, I don't have to like or support what you decide to do but I damn sure support your right to make the decision.

 

[DynaLo]

I guess you are right Antivaxers would rather listen to this stuff instead I guess.

They’re actually just more so questioning his lack of acknowledgement of the numbers of adverse events being reported.

 

[evillawyer]

Libs getting owned big time.

 

[MAD]

Interesting when the truth comes out.

Contrary to Peter McCullough’s claim, getting vaccinated is safer than getting COVID-19, in spite of rare cases of myocarditis

 

[VolinWayne]

Considering he has had several fairly members die at a similar age from heart attack and actually died from the widow maker, ya, I’d say it’s a coincidence.

And it’s just as ugly when antivaxers celebrate someone’s death.

I'm absolutely not in any way celebrating his death

 

[Vol8188]

CDC data like this is dubious because of them modifying their definition of vaccinated.

Nevertheless, I still like my odds at 6.1 out of 100,000. That's a 99.39% survival rate.

That’s also less than the value required to be significant (p<0.001) according to our resident math professor when it came to vaccine deaths

 

[tnmarktx]

No I don't believe that I own my employees, it's pretty obvious that I don't because any/all of them could quit at any time.

I'm not defending any businesses that have implemented a vaccine mandate, I have defended their right to implement one. I feel the same about a businesses right to fire an employee should they refuse to work in an unvaccinated workplace.

I don't support vaccine mandates of any kind I simply support the right of the private sector to decide for themselves on whether it's right for them or not. That's the thing about freedom, I don't have to like or support what you decide to do but I damn sure support your right to make the decision.

I find it very interesting that employers hate gov. interference and labor unions that formed solely due to the freedoms of employers implementing policy that direct their workforce. Do you support the law in Tennessee that requires you to pay for employees to go vote if you schedule them during hours in which the polls are open? It would be awesome if employers were as smart as they think they are and dealt with their workforce with benevolence. There wouldn't be a necessity for any government involvement at all.