Vaccine or not?

[Vjcvette]

The trickiest issue is that nobody will report the number of healthy children that have died with a diagnosis of CV. Upon my last discussion with the most well-informed physician administrator I know, he was not aware of a single death in an otherwise healthy child in any of the hospital systems he communicates with. Additionally, there exists no evidence that CV shots would have prevented the deaths in the medically-complex children.

Let's try this: does anyone on the board actually know a child that had died in the past 2.5 years from CV? That's a pretty large sample. I can list several losses I am aware of from other causes: suicide, car accident, RSV, OD.

While the risk of COVID causing severe illness and hospitalization is much lower compared to adults, it's important to remember that at least 1,546 children ages 0 to 18 years have died from COVID. In addition, long-term adverse health effects even after mild infection in children are now being recognized.
Coronavirus outbreak and kids - Harvard Health
https://www.health.harvard.edu › diseases-and-conditions

 

[Vjcvette]

Yes but you ignore what the data actually shows in favor of someone else's conclusions.

The data do not show covid as a statistical risk for children. Should the govt require then to be vaccinated?

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While the risk of COVID causing severe illness and hospitalization is much lower compared to adults, it's important to remember that at least 1,546 children ages 0 to 18 years have died from COVID. In addition, long-term adverse health effects even after mild infection in children are now being recognized.
Coronavirus outbreak and kids - Harvard Health
https://www.health.harvard.edu › diseases-and-conditions

 

[utvolpj]

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While the risk of COVID causing severe illness and hospitalization is much lower compared to adults, it's important to remember that at least 1,546 children ages 0 to 18 years have died from COVID. In addition, long-term adverse health effects even after mild infection in children are now being recognized.
Coronavirus outbreak and kids - Harvard Health
https://www.health.harvard.edu › diseases-and-conditions

Very low statistical risk as I said. Likely approaching zero for healthy children

Also, the vax does not prevent anyone from getting covid

 

[hog88]

Look them up

If I'm using the advice of scientists on the decision whether to take an experimental treatment for myself or my children I would research them. So I figured you had and could tell us what qualifies one to be a scientist.

 

[kiddiedoc]

While the risk of COVID causing severe illness and hospitalization is much lower compared to adults, it's important to remember that at least 1,546 children ages 0 to 18 years have died from COVID. In addition, long-term adverse health effects even after mild infection in children are now being recognized.
Coronavirus outbreak and kids - Harvard Health
https://www.health.harvard.edu › diseases-and-conditions

Are you able to read? Form a coherent thought without copying and pasting?

HEALTHY CHILDREN.

And the last line in your quote is not backed by evidence.

 

[kiddiedoc]

When you become a Scientist.....let me know

I thought you were asking for an intelligent debate.

You have not answered a single question that I posed to you in a very rational, organized format.

 

[RockyTop85]

The issue now is that the push has turned toward babies and children. This shot with no long term data is being pushed into their bodies and they're using schools to do it. Our kids are being sacrificed for money and too many are just ok with it

Some of that is pretty melodramatic, but the main idea is persuasive.

 

[VolinWayne]

Some of that is pretty melodramatic, but the main idea is persuasive.

Can anyone identify a SINGLE long term safety study (>2 years? >5 years?) done on lipid nanoparticles injected into the human body? And they are pushing thus on our children!

 

[VolinWayne]

While the risk of COVID causing severe illness and hospitalization is much lower compared to adults, it's important to remember that at least 1,546 children ages 0 to 18 years have died from COVID. In addition, long-term adverse health effects even after mild infection in children are now being recognized.
Coronavirus outbreak and kids - Harvard Health
https://www.health.harvard.edu › diseases-and-conditions

How do you explain studies like this?

Vaccination Poses Higher Risk of Myocarditis Death for All Age Groups: Study Vaccination Poses Higher Risk of Myocarditis Death for All Age Groups: Study

People of all ages are at higher risk of death from heart inflammation after COVID-19 vaccination compared with the typical occurrence of myocarditis death, according to a new study.

 

[RockyTop85]

Can anyone identify a SINGLE long term safety study (>2 years? >5 years?) done on lipid nanoparticles injected into the human body? And they are pushing thus on our children!

I said the main idea was persuasive… I’m not sure what we’re even supposed to be arguing about, here.

 

[volgr]

I have 3 kids currently in TN public schools and none of them are fully vaccinated. We filed a religious exemption and have never been questioned on it. Although, I do know not all States/Cities make it as easy to do this.

 

[Vjcvette]

Are you able to read? Form a coherent thought without copying and pasting?

HEALTHY CHILDREN.

And the last line in your quote is not backed by evidence.

If you dissagree with the AMA, CDC, Harvard studies, what makes you more qualified to even speak on the subject?

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

Hey Guv Lee! So you decide to grow a pair and make this statement right before the election, Sorry, I won’t be voting for your worthless RINO Republicuck carcass!

 

[Vjcvette]

I thought you were asking for an intelligent debate.

You have not answered a single question that I posed to you in a very rational, organized format.

I have answered yours.....you have not answered mine....

 

[Vjcvette]

When you can grasp basic math and science let me know. The numbers are right there yet you don't seem to care to go past a headline

And you do the same

 

[utvolpj]

And you do the same

I do and I presented it to you. You're the good parrot they hoped would be created by using headlines not matching data

Healthy children are not dying of covid. Children in the whole are not susceptible to covid. The numbers are there, look then up and stop supporting lies

 

[Vjcvette]

How do you explain studies like this?

Vaccination Poses Higher Risk of Myocarditis Death for All Age Groups: Study Vaccination Poses Higher Risk of Myocarditis Death for All Age Groups: Study

People of all ages are at higher risk of death from heart inflammation after COVID-19 vaccination compared with the typical occurrence of myocarditis death, according to a new study.

COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than vaccines. The overall risk of myocarditis – inflammation of the heart muscle – is substantially higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than it is in the weeks following vaccination for the coronavirus, a large new study in England shows.Aug 22, 2022

COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than ...
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...0recognized.&usg=AOvVaw22JJXmurbt3PnMr9DnCiAP

 

[Vjcvette]

I do and I presented it to you. You're the good parrot they hoped would be created by using headlines not matching data

Healthy children are not dying of covid. Children in the whole are not susceptible to covid. The numbers are there, look then up and stop supporting lies

Children and COVID-19: State-Level Data Report

 

[utvolpj]

Children and COVID-19: State-Level Data Report

Why do you post this useless stuff? It addresses nothing in my post

 

[phoenixvol]

COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than vaccines. The overall risk of myocarditis – inflammation of the heart muscle – is substantially higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than it is in the weeks following vaccination for the coronavirus, a large new study in England shows.Aug 22, 2022
COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than ...
https://www.heart.org › news › 2022/08/22 › covid-19-in...

"Among men under 40, there were an estimated four extra cases of myocarditis associated with the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine and 14 extra cases with the first dose of the Moderna vaccine for every 1 million men vaccinated. That risk rose with the second dose for all three vaccines studied and was highest for Moderna's, which had an additional 97 myocarditis cases per 1 million. For unvaccinated men under 40 with COVID-19, there were 16 additional myocarditis cases per million."

This may be relevant to those under 40.

 

[kiddiedoc]

If you dissagree with the AMA, CDC, Harvard studies, what makes you more qualified to even speak on the subject?

Hmm... how about the fact that I have directly cared for around 2,000 children with CV infection? I am also free of financial interest or persuasion by vaccine manufacturers, remain in communication with local hospital administrators (including the one at which I am Chairman of Pediatrics), and am able to read and interpret statistics (included in medical education).

 

[kiddiedoc]

I have answered yours.....you have not answered mine....

One last time:

Present solid evidence that shots have prevented transmission of CV in children and have prevented deaths in healthy children.

Explain why, despite Pfizer admitting it, myocarditis is not a safety concern.

Demonstrate the mechanism to explain menstrual changes in women and that this mechanism will not affect younger girls once they reach childbearing age.

Refute the possibility that mRNA shots are actually driving new mutations/ variants.

Demonstrate the long term safety of spike protein delivered to nursing babies in breast milk.

 

[kiddiedoc]

@Vjcvette , remember when -- under guidance from the CDC -- your President told you "If you get the vaccine, you aren't going to catch COVID?"

Good times.

 

[vols4sure]

What is @Vjcvette 's stance? All kids should be required to have the Covid shot?

 

[RockyTop85]

But not known before the first two. That's the problem.

The government/pharmas didnt come in and hedge the unknowns. They flat out came out and said it was safe and effective, and went out of their way to ridicule and punish those who didnt buy in.

If from the start vaccines had been a suggestion with the qualifier that it wasnt fully tested yet, but they were still recommended, then fine. They did everything they could to make sure they were required, that there were no qualifiers, and that the testing was done to a good enough point. To this day in this thread we have a poster that refuses to admit things may not have been on the up and up from day 1.

The impact of that line of thinking and blind trust in the government is worthy of discussion on a political board.

I understand that you believe that and that that’s why you’re still interested in the virus and vaccine.