Vaccine or not?

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COVID Data Tracker

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I’m not sure if I’m adding anything to this discussion, but I’ll give it a shot. I’m going to use a source that one or more of the current discussion holders have used.

Above are two links taking you the CDC website. The first link describes their findings in regards to demographics. According to this data, and as an actual scientist, this data suggests that children are highly unlikely to die from COVID-19. However, I can’t seem to find what the reason was if they did pass away (during, post, etc.). Also, my heart hurts for those who did experience a child passing away due to this virus.

The second link shows data that is total deaths vs vaccination status. I’m the first infographic they do not include the 0.5-17 age range because the numbers are too low.

With this info straight from the CDC I can only conclude that children are not in any way, shape, or form in danger with this virus.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I said the main idea was persuasive… I’m not sure what we’re even supposed to be arguing about, here.
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I think the argument is many of us have a huge issue with the CDC making the recommendation to add the covid vaccine to the list of childhood vaccines. Judging by your posts you have no issue at all with this decision. Admittedly, you are entitled to your own opinion and I respect that but that is the argument
 
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Alright. Imma be strait with you. (everyone sits up intently)

The shots are good. They don't stop it, but they help. They will help you fight this ****. I got people in the cdc. They have now had the shot, boostered, caught it twice ... and now have it again. She says that there are four varients out there, and it is mutating faster than they can keep up rn. The booster only partly protects you.... but it very much helps you fight it.
 
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VolinWayne said:
I think the argument is many of us have a huge issue with the CDC making the recommendation to add the covid vaccine to the list of childhood vaccines. Judging by your posts you have no issue at all with this decision. Admittedly, you are entitled to your own opinion and I respect that but that is the argument
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Then you’ve misunderstood my posts.

I understand that the CDC recommending the vaccine for kids will result in it being required in many schools and other places. I think people should be able to make a fairly broad range of decisions for their children, probably a broader range than you do, if I had to guess. With waning efficacy of the vaccine, waning severity in adults, and the already low threat to children, this easily falls within that range. That’s why I said the main idea was persuasive.
 
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vols4sure said:
What is @Vjcvette 's stance? All kids should be required to have the Covid shot?
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My stance was my personal experience of getting vaccinated and not getting covid or missing work, and that is
not a popular stance to have in this thread, even though it is titled "Vaccine or not, and I tell you the people that I know that died of
covid, what they had was not 99% survivable....tell that to their family.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
One last time:

Present solid evidence that shots have prevented transmission of CV in children and have prevented deaths in healthy children.

Explain why, despite Pfizer admitting it, myocarditis is not a safety concern.

Demonstrate the mechanism to explain menstrual changes in women and that this mechanism will not affect younger girls once they reach childbearing age.

Refute the possibility that mRNA shots are actually driving new mutations/ variants.

Demonstrate the long term safety of spike protein delivered to nursing babies in breast milk.
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Again.....
Where is all of your solid proof coming from.....your own stats...who's stats do you use....post them
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Hmm... how about the fact that I have directly cared for around 2,000 children with CV infection? I am also free of financial interest or persuasion by vaccine manufacturers, remain in communication with local hospital administrators (including the one at which I am Chairman of Pediatrics), and am able to read and interpret statistics (included in medical education).
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Well then post your stats, I have no financial interest or persuasion by vaccine manufactures either.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Then you’ve misunderstood my posts.

I understand that the FDA recommending the vaccine for kids will result in it being required in many schools and other places. I think people should be able to make a fairly broad range of decisions for their children, probably a broader range than you do, if I had to guess. With waning efficacy of the vaccine, waning severity in adults, and the already low threat to children, this easily falls within that range. That’s why I said the main idea was persuasive.
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Fair enough. I take an issue with the CDC even taking a persuasive approach. They are supposed to be trusted to make judgements and recommendations based on science. This isn't science
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
Alright. Imma be strait with you. (everyone sits up intently)

The shots are good. They don't stop it, but they help. They will help you fight this ****. I got people in the cdc. They have now had the shot, boostered, caught it twice ... and now have it again. She says that there are four variants out there, and it is mutating faster than they can keep up rn. The booster only partly protects you.... but it very much helps you fight it.
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I don't think we can know for a fact that the booster helps you fight it. Most of us healthy people do not call a doctor when we get it. Much less get admitted to the hospital. This is true of vaccinated and unvaccinated folks. Perhaps it is helpful for medically compromised folks...but for the vast majority of us, I don't see the reason for it.
 
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zhangliao04 said:
COVID Data Tracker

COVID Data Tracker

I’m not sure if I’m adding anything to this discussion, but I’ll give it a shot. I’m going to use a source that one or more of the current discussion holders have used.

Above are two links taking you the CDC website. The first link describes their findings in regards to demographics. According to this data, and as an actual scientist, this data suggests that children are highly unlikely to die from COVID-19. However, I can’t seem to find what the reason was if they did pass away (during, post, etc.). Also, my heart hurts for those who did experience a child passing away due to this virus.

The second link shows data that is total deaths vs vaccination status. I’m the first infographic they do not include the 0.5-17 age range because the numbers are too low.

With this info straight from the CDC I can only conclude that children are not in any way, shape, or form in danger with this virus.
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While the risk of COVID causing severe illness and hospitalization is much lower compared to adults, it's important to remember that at least 1,546 children ages 0 to 18 years have died from COVID. In addition, long-term adverse health effects even after mild infection in children are now being recognized.
Coronavirus outbreak and kids - Harvard Health
https://www.health.harvard.edu › diseases-and-conditions
 
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Vjcvette said:
And I haven't, and not everyone that has the vaccine gets covid.
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I appreciate all the effort you've put into this thread and I get where you're coming from. My partner is one of the few who, like you, have not gotten it and she's stayed up to date with her boosters sans the most recent one. I don't know if she'll get another one but my opinion to her and to you: If you feel comfortable getting it, do it!. I respect where you're coming from. I just think we should be past the gov't mandating it. Personally I had the BA5 variant a couple months ago so I'm boosted naturally.
 
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Sea Ray said:
I appreciate all the effort you've put into this thread and I get where you're coming from. My partner is one of the few who, like you, have not gotten it and she's stayed up to date with her boosters sans the most recent one. I don't know if she'll get another one but my opinion to her and to you: If you feel comfortable getting it, do it!. I respect where you're coming from. I just think we should be past the gov't mandating it. Personally I had the BA5 variant a couple months ago so I'm boosted naturally.
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This thread is against anyone who is vaccinated and it should be titled "Anti vaxxers only"
 
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kiddiedoc said:
The trickiest issue is that nobody will report the number of healthy children that have died with a diagnosis of CV. Upon my last discussion with the most well-informed physician administrator I know, he was not aware of a single death in an otherwise healthy child in any of the hospital systems he communicates with. Additionally, there exists no evidence that CV shots would have prevented the deaths in the medically-complex children.

Let's try this: does anyone on the board actually know a child that had died in the past 2.5 years from CV? That's a pretty large sample. I can list several losses I am aware of from other causes: suicide, car accident, RSV, OD.
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Yes, one of my students died from COVID
I answered your question.
I am not "special needs" and I don't "wear a helmet."
If you hurl those insults at users, as you have done and with a cavalier, punkish attitude, you should not be a moderator on this (or any) board deciding if someone else should have a post edited.
Period.
@Freak
 
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Vjcvette said:
This thread is against anyone who is vaccinated and it should be titled "Anti vassers only"
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For 2 years the unvaccinated were the most ridiculed and discriminated group of people since the 30s. Go back and read some of the headlines, news articles and opinions being put out there pushing the narrative that the unvaccinated had no part in society. It was real. The feedback you are getting in this thread is nothing compared to what we had to put up with.
 
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Vjcvette said:
While the risk of COVID causing severe illness and hospitalization is much lower compared to adults, it's important to remember that at least 1,546 children ages 0 to 18 years have died from COVID. In addition, long-term adverse health effects even after mild infection in children are now being recognized.
Coronavirus outbreak and kids - Harvard Health
https://www.health.harvard.edu › diseases-and-conditions
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What point are you trying to make with this? That way I know where the conversation is going.
 
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Vjcvette said:
If you do not want to believe data from the state, that is your choice.
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I think several know my spouse has worked with many large companies in developing COVID incentive programs. Their firm has caught a deep blue state (Washington) playing with the numbers. The State of TN has done the same thing and got caught...

Long story short, there's a lot of dishonesty on both sides....
 
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The CDC should be reliable, but it is a political agency with an agenda. The AMA is a failing institution that claims to represent the views of physicians, yet less than 1 in 5 actual physicians are members.

Here are two scientists that present a viewpoint that varies in ways from those above. Google them. I challenge people to listen to their critiques.

Dr Vinay Prasad
Dr Paul Ofitt
 
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GordonC said:
Yes, one of my students died from COVID
I answered your question.
I am not "special needs" and I don't "wear a helmet."
If you hurl those insults at users, as you have done and with a cavalier, punkish attitude, you should not be a moderator on this (or any) board deciding if someone else should have a post edited.
Period.
@Freak
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Check your rear for a diamond.

I am not the one that called her "special needs." She has a helmet on in her pic and I made a joke about it, and I told her it was a joke at the time. Good Lord

I'll call my friend Freak tonight and beg forgiveness.
 
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