Vince Dooley Says Derek......

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Seems there are a several people here who like the idea of getting money for not working. I guess that makes them either lawyers or "forty-seven percenters". It doesn't work like that in the real world. Few people other than CEOs and Coaches get paid for failing. If you are OK with that, then go to the games when the team is losing and buy lots of stuff so DD can get his checks.


Oskievol, you especially can kiss my azz, ignoramus.:finger3:
 
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Dang, it's not like he sat on his butt the whole three years. I'm pretty sure coaches live and breathe their jobs almost 24/7. We can question a lot of things about him, but his work ethic isn't one of them. It might not be fair, but a contract is a contract. Those millions of dollars are why college coaches get fired so quickly when they don't win.
 
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sjt18 said:
Someone had to take the job and try to restore order. They went down the list and found Dooley who failed to win but DID re-build the foundation of the roster and restore order to the program administratively.

He negotiated the contract he did to protect himself from impatient fans... and did so wisely. I question whether he could have recovered from this year under any set of circumstances. OTOH, he is still the HC if Wilcox doesn't leave.

He hasn't "soiled" his name in any respect. He commanded a contract, got it, and is due the terms.
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Well said. Worth a like and a bump for those that need to read something twice before they understand.
 
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AlaskaVol said:
Seems there are a several people here who like the idea of getting money for not working. I guess that makes them either lawyers or "forty-seven percenters". It doesn't work like that in the real world. Few people other than CEOs and Coaches get paid for failing. If you are OK with that, then go to the games when the team is losing and buy lots of stuff so DD can get his checks.


Oskievol, you especially can kiss my azz, ignoramus.:finger3:
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It's fine to be upset but your anger is misguided. Your anger should be aimed at Hamilton and Cheek.
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KoachKletus said:
Well said. Worth a like and a bump for those that need to read something twice before they understand.
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What a shock that you like what he said. The entire post is that of a guy whose pissed DD sorry ass got canned.
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VolBeef88 said:
Dreamer...

At best all we did was tread water while he was here. His best year was his 1st year. Or if you ask his followers his year zero was his best year.
Either way it was an atrocious hire and Mike Hamilton and Cheek should go down as the worst or at least in the mention of the worst things that have ever happened to UT athletics.
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Beef, you exactly correct on Hamilton and the admin as I have been saying for years. However, our roster is in far better shape on the lines alone to at least give us an opportunity to win some games. Qb is another position where we are at least in serviceable shape. Dooley did better than tread water in recruiting, but that's it.
 
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sjt18 said:
He hasn't "soiled" his name in any respect. He commanded a contract, got it, and is due the terms.
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Arguably, DD DIDN'T "command" a contract and get it, rather it seemed that MH was desperate for a coach, after a couple of turndowns, and he probably "liberally" offered DD much more than Dooley himself expected, just to be able to come back to Knoxville with a name most hadn't heard of and a signed contract. As for soiling his name, "in a coaching sense" he definitely has, as far as major schools are concerned.
 
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Vol logic said:
Beef, you exactly correct on Hamilton and the admin as I have been saying for years. However, our roster is in far better shape on the lines alone to at least give us an opportunity to win some games. Qb is another position where we are at least in serviceable shape. Dooley did better than tread water in recruiting, but that's it.
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Our lines aren't any better really than they were in year 1. And his recruiting classes dropped each year. So I disagree and as far as QB goes? We don't know yet.
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AlaskaVol said:
Seems there are a several people here who like the idea of getting money for not working. I guess that makes them either lawyers or "forty-seven percenters". It doesn't work like that in the real world. Few people other than CEOs and Coaches get paid for failing. If you are OK with that, then go to the games when the team is losing and buy lots of stuff so DD can get his checks.


Oskievol, you especially can kiss my azz, ignoramus.:finger3:
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I think the only one that doesn't understand the real world is you. Clearly you do not understand employment contracts.
 
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sjt18 said:
Someone had to take the job and try to restore order. They went down the list and found Dooley who failed to win but DID re-build the foundation of the roster and restore order to the program administratively.

He negotiated the contract he did to protect himself from impatient fans... and did so wisely. I question whether he could have recovered from this year under any set of circumstances. OTOH, he is still the HC if Wilcox doesn't leave.

He hasn't "soiled" his name in any respect. He commanded a contract, got it, and is due the terms.
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Dooley would still have his job, if we had not lost to Ky. The loss to Ky. was the writing on the wall and Wilcox, the wide receivers coach and some of the others jumped off the sinking ship. Of course, it was a blessing for the O-Line coach to take his services elsewhere.

That loss to Ky., began the downward spiral...

Also, had the receivers caught a few of the balls that they dropped this season, we would have won a couple of more games. More 1st downs, more t.d.'s, and more field goals.

So, the loss to Ky., which resulted in Wilcox's leaving which lead to the hiring of Sal and also the dropped passes by the receivers ultimately cost Dooley his job...
 
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AlaskaVol said:
Seems there are a several people here who like the idea of getting money for not working. I guess that makes them either lawyers or "forty-seven percenters". It doesn't work like that in the real world. Few people other than CEOs and Coaches get paid for failing. If you are OK with that, then go to the games when the team is losing and buy lots of stuff so DD can get his checks.


Oskievol, you especially can kiss my azz, ignoramus.:finger3:
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Seriously man ur response was worse than your original post. The guy was making 1.9 mil a year. Which was on the lowest tier in the SEC and ranked in the 40 range amongst the nations coaches....AT TENNESSEE!!!! The guy worked his azzz off so saying he is getting paid to do nothing or to fail is just ridic. He had a large buyout and a small yrly salary for a reason. He knew he couldn't demand the high salary, but he also wasn't going to let the school off the hook if he's gonna put 3 hardazz yrs of work in, especially when all knew it was going to take 5 yrs, and then get fired. If u don't understand that then that's no ones problem but ur own.
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GAVol said:
I don't think it's even a question that we're better. We just didnt have a lot of big people that could play in 2010.
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Our Dline was no better in 12 than 10 and could be argued that it's worse. Our Oline can be argued better but one of the reasons we gave up so few sacks is that Bray learned to throw the ball away. So at best it's a draw with the lines.
In his 3rd year DD took us to levels of historical lows. Without question his best year was 10. Therefore I stand by my statement that he did NOT leave us better off than he found us.
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VolBeef88 said:
Our lines aren't any better really than they were in year 1. And his recruiting classes dropped each year. So I disagree and as far as QB goes? We don't know yet.
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That's a stupid statement. Our trenches have been horrible for years. Our OL is one of the top groups in the country, and dl has a couple of future pros. His line his first year was loaded with true freshmen.
 
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AlaskaVol said:
Seems there are a several people here who like the idea of getting money for not working. I guess that makes them either lawyers or "forty-seven percenters". It doesn't work like that in the real world. Few people other than CEOs and Coaches get paid for failing. If you are OK with that, then go to the games when the team is losing and buy lots of stuff so DD can get his checks.
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Two questions for you, good sir:

1) Were you to be involved in writing multi-million dollar coaching contracts, would you include an Out Clause for the University that allowed for the negation of said contract sans buyout or remuneration for the terminated party knowing full well that it was not a normal inclusion?

2) If said Out Clause was part of a contract and you were a candidate in the search process, would said Out Clause (allowing the University to empty your office and cancel your pay/benefits immediately upon some specific win/loss ratio) make you think twice about expressing interest in or even ultimately accepting the position?

I eagerly await an intelligent and informed response.
 
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GAVol said:
And if you took Tony Dorsett from Johnny Majors or Peyton Manning from Phil Fulmer or Tim Tebow from Urban Meyer . . .
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Then the latter two still have national titles.

I see the point you're making, but Vince is one of the most overrated coaches in SEC history.
 
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sjt18 said:
He negotiated the contract he did to protect himself from impatient fans... and did so wisely. I question whether he could have recovered from this year under any set of circumstances. OTOH, he is still the HC if Wilcox doesn't leave.
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I agree with most of what you said, but Wilcox jumped off a sinking ship. He left BECAUSE Dooley was an awful coach. So what you're basically saying is, "Dooley would still be our coach if he wasn't doing such a terrible job."

Not sure why you're making that hypothetical, but I am fairly certain that you're the last person on Earth that still thinks Dooley was a good hire.
 
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VolsRule said:
derek's laying around his lake mansion, trying to figure out how he's going to spend all those UT buyout millions while doing nothing! He won the lottery!!
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Taking the Tennessee job was a no lose situation for this doofus. He wins, great he makes millions. He stinks, great he makes millions. I wonder if all he saw were $$ signs, he sure as heck wasn't paying attention to coaching football.
 
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