War in Ukraine

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It wasn't before the Maiden. It was well after the unrest started. It was just before the Ukrainian people threw the puppet president out on his ass.
 
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tvolsfan said:
The Euromaidan unrest started in November 2013.
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The revolt that pushed Yanukovich out of power didn't occur until February 18th. Why are they discussing Yatseniuk's "governing experience" before then unless they had plans on him being inserted as the PM? Nuland even mentioned holding off any conversations with Yanukovich in that phone call. That's because they didn't see a future for him and he wasn't a priority.

I swear, you guys can be looking directly at the evidence and still want to ignore it.
 
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This would be a bold move by Biden and The West if he takes this step forward in an effort to restore peace and stability.

Zelensky Invites Biden To Visit Ukraine In "Coming Days" In Pushback Against 'Imminent' Invasion Fears | ZeroHedge

Saying that major Ukrainian cities are "under safe protection," Zelensky suggested that a visit of the US president in person would stop the spread of panic and prevent escalation. "I am convinced that your visit to Kyiv in the coming days... would be a powerful signal and help stabilize the situation," Zelensky was quoted as saying in the call.

"We will stop any escalation. The Ukrainian capital, Kiev, other cities in our country - Kharkov and Lvov, Dnepr and Odessa - are under safe protection," Zelensky told the US president.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It wouldn't surprise me either way. I don't know who to trust at the moment. But I'm leaning 70/30 towards nothing going on this week, but I cold obviously be wrong on that.
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This week? Really? That’s your call. Who gaf about this week?

Is there a war or not in the next 2 months?
 
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Lucy said:
Great post Mudcat! I am very concerned about this. The impact of invasion would be far, far reaching!
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american did not war heads in cuba . if you ukranine joins nato they could put war heads on russia border. ronald reagan agree not expan nato in to eastern eu. but since 1992 on they have push nato closer to russia. russia bear may not not back up anymore. demacrats & repub. want punished russia. russia tore down the wall in germany and got a nato closer to its border. trade with russia is better than war. trade agreements over war agreements any day. and i am done.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The revolt that pushed Yanukovich out of power didn't occur until February 18th. Why are they discussing Yatseniuk's "governing experience" before then unless they had plans on him being inserted as the PM? Nuland even mentioned holding off any conversations with Yanukovich in that phone call. That's because they didn't see a future for him and he wasn't a priority.

I swear, you guys can be looking directly at the evidence and still want to ignore it.
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The unrest started well before February. Maybe Russia Today didn’t cover it.
 
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mudcat1973 said:
american did not war heads in cuba . if you ukranine joins nato they could put war heads on russia border. ronald reagan agree not expan nato in to eastern eu. but since 1992 on they have push nato closer to russia. russia bear may not not back up anymore. demacrats & repub. want punished russia. russia tore down the wall in germany and got a nato closer to its border. trade with russia is better than war. trade agreements over war agreements any day. and i am done.
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I just watched Tulsi Gabbard claiming that all it would take to avoid war is if the US agreed to not allow Ukraine to join NATO. She claimed that the USA is actually pushing Russia to attack The Ukraine. This can be backed up by the, "limited invasion," comments out of Washington last week. Her rationale is that the "military complex," wishes to recreate the cold war as it is good for business at the expense of the US taxpayers. She discussed that Europe is not as concerned, so why would America be more concerned than Western Europe. You can make this same type of argument that some of the government decisions this past year was a financial boom for big pharma, again at the expense of the taxpayers. I also listened to Ukrainians being interviewed about a possible war, and they claimed that they did not care if Ukraine stayed independent or became part of Russian - it did not matter - as long as they avoided war. I just hate that the greatest troops on the planet - the 82 Airborne is put in harms way.

Note: I did a walking tour of Berlin when my son and I backpacked Europe a few years back, and heard the best explanation of the wall coming down by a tour guide that involved it coming down because a Russian diplomat missed a meeting, the Monday candlelight vigils, a single question by an Italian reporter, and two elderly ladies who had many years old VISA. Quite interesting. One of those Paul Harvey, now you know the rest of the story, type of explanations.

Interesting viewing, but not the version I heard:
 
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tvolsfan said:
The unrest started well before February. Maybe Russia Today didn’t cover it.
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Again, you miss the point. Yanukovich was still in power at the time of this recording. Yet Nuland and Pyatt are discussing Yatseniuk and his governing experience. Yanukovich is then removed in a coup roughly two weeks after this phone call is released. Shortly afterwards, Yats is made prime minister.
 
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ncteacher88 said:
I just watched Tulsi Gabbard claiming that all it would take to avoid war is if the US agreed to not allow Ukraine to join NATO. She claimed that the USA is actually pushing Russia to attack The Ukraine. This can be backed up by the, "limited invasion," comments out of Washington last week. Her rationale is that the "military complex," wishes to recreate the cold war as it is good for business at the expense of the US taxpayers. She discussed that Europe is not as concerned, so why would America be more concerned than Western Europe. You can make this same type of argument that some of the government decisions this past year was a financial boom for big pharma, again at the expense of the taxpayers. I also listened to Ukrainians being interviewed about a possible war, and they claimed that they did not care if Ukraine stayed independent or became part of Russian - it did not matter - as long as they avoided war. I just hate that the greatest troops on the planet - the 82 Airborne is put in harms way.

Note: I did a walking tour of Berlin when my son and I backpacked Europe a few years back, and heard the best explanation of the wall coming down by a tour guide that involved it coming down because a Russian diplomat missed a meeting, the Monday candlelight vigils, a single question by an Italian reporter, and two elderly ladies who had many years old VISA. Quite interesting. One of those Paul Harvey, now you know the rest of the story, type of explanations.

Interesting viewing, but not the version I heard:
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ronald reagan had lot to do with that wall coming down.
 
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The plot thickens.




Steve Hilton: It was Clinton who undermined our democracy

Feb. 14, 2022 - 8:14 - 'The Next Revolution' host discusses a filing from Special Counsel John Durham alleging the Clinton campaign paid money to penetrate Trump's servers.
 
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allvol123 said:
What is your guess? Russia begins an unprovoked war or not? Stop squirming.
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The evidence would have me lean towards this is just a fabrication based on what Zelensky is saying. However, Russia reportedly closing its embassy is something to note.

There isn't a clear picture.
 
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mudcat1973 said:
ronald reagan had lot to do with that wall coming down.
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Absolutely. He was one of the ones who created the foundation for it coming down. His speech where he said “tear down that wall,” his writers /advisers kept taking that out of his speech, but he refused and said it anyways. The part of the Berlin Wall coming down that I referred to, was the actual coming down, which took place when the Russian bureaucrat missed a meeting which outlined that they really did not intend to open the west, it was all just for show. The actual couple days where it all culminated in those scenes we see from people sitting up on top of the wall is a great historical story as I outlined in my original post, And happened almost accidentally.
 
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