War in Ukraine

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MontyPython said:
I think it's fair to say that nobody *wanted* to go back to war. But the policy of attempting to appease a ruler who clearly had imperialistic ambitions failed. Failed badly.

Fast forward from 1939 to now, and here we are again. We can either appease Putin and just let him take Ukraine or whatever land he wants, or we can fight.
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We arent fighting. Unless you believe the Russian state media.

I have always been for selling stuff to Ukraine and nothing more. Even selling at a discount.
 
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utvolpj said:
No it's in the interest of Europe. We aren't being threatened except by our entanglements
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Its in the United States interest to keep itself at the top, a war with Ukraine serves two purposes... 1.) physical war against Russia in theory weakens Russia and 2.) economic war between Russia and Germany (Europe) splits any alliance they would have had going forward and weakens both i.e. continuous support from the United States is needed by Europe.

Remind them why they need us.

This was spoken about even prior to the war ie split up any dependence of Germany and Russia in particular. All of this works for the United States unless it causes collapse or a full collapse of Europe, and it probably helps the UK or could.

I would say we're all going down the path of RESET, meaning potential.
 
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utvolpj said:
And I would've. Ww1 was an absolute useless cluster and the reason we fought ww2 in Europe. Short sighted foreign policy gets us in these messes. Stop advocating for more
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Interesting. So you would have just let Great Britain and all the other European countries fight Germany on their own. Wow.

Also: It must really frustrate you that France intervened in our Revolutionary war to aid us.

Glad you don't have my back.
 
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MontyPython said:
Interesting. So you would have just let Great Britain and all the other European countries fight Germany on their own. Wow.

Also: It must really frustrate you that France intervened in our Revolutionary war to aid us.

Glad you don't have my back.
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The reasons for and response to ww1 caused ww2. Stupid politicians cause wars. The citizens don't want to fight wars. Advocating the politicians follow bad policy because of bad policy is idiotic. If Europe sees it as necessary then have fun. My money shouldn't be spent on this scam in a corrupt country
 
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MontyPython said:
I think it's fair to say that nobody *wanted* to go back to war. But the policy of attempting to appease a ruler who clearly had imperialistic ambitions failed. Failed badly.

Fast forward from 1939 to now, and here we are again. We can either appease Putin and just let him take Ukraine or whatever land he wants, or we can fight.
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We're not fighting, we're giving away taxpayer money. If Europe doesn't want Russia to take Ukraine they should be footing the bill since they would be next on the chopping block. Russia is of no military threat to us.
 
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utvolpj said:
Printing money doesn't make someone solvent or wealthy. We don't even make our own meds

Not our fight. Don't steal my money and send it to some corrupt shithole your kids use to launder their money
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The day will come and the printer will stop working, and at that point the people in the United States will begin to realize the lie or Truth.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I his learned how to use the Twitter search function Curly you don’t have to be a member to do that. Lots of feel good stories on Russians getting their asses handed to them out there in the tweet space right now.
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Lots of Ukrainian troll and bot accounts on there as well.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Not when you have Russian people being attacked and the threat of NATO moving in military assets to your border... not to mention the potential loss of their Crimean port to a hostile regime in Kyiv. All of these things played a factor. You know this, but chose to ignore the justifications knowing good and damn well that we would behave in the same manner (likely in a far worse/more destructive manner) if the US saw similar threats emerge in Mexico or Cuba. Hell, you got people here that want to take military action on countries like Nicaragua, Venezuela and Equatorial Guinea (in Africa) for getting to close and cozy with China and Russia.
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The drumbeat for us starting a war with Equatorial Guinea is deafening.

Do you know what boocoo dinky dau means? You should, you're a living example.
 
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MontyPython said:
Interesting. So you would have just let Great Britain and all the other European countries fight Germany on their own. Wow.

Also: It must really frustrate you that France intervened in our Revolutionary war to aid us.

Glad you don't have my back.
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We had no business getting into WWI, by the time we sent troops to Europe it was pretty much stagnant.
 
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hog88 said:
We're not fighting, we're giving away taxpayer money. If Europe doesn't want Russia to take Ukraine they should be footing the bill since they would be next on the chopping block. Russia is of no military threat to us.
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So all that $$$ we spent over 40+ years on the Cold War was "giving away taxpayer money" too, eh?

o_O
 
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Also the history buffs should be familiar with Ike's speech. Ukraine is simply making money for the mic. It's essentially testing in production for these systems. The celebrating in this forum of reluctant soldiers being slaughtered is pretty sick
 
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LouderVol said:
We arent fighting. Unless you believe the Russian state media.

I have always been for selling stuff to Ukraine and nothing more. Even selling at a discount.
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Hm. Well, the United States is doing a lot more than that. Okay, Russia gives planes to Afghanistan and hyper-sonic anti-ship missiles. They train the Afghans, supply them with fuel and intelligence. Said, planes sink 3 American aircraft carriers and afterward fly to Russia to safety. They refuel in Russia and start sinking American commercial vessels.


I mean what is the difference here? LOL Not much.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Hm. Well, the United States is doing a lot more than that. Okay, Russia gives planes to Afghanistan and hyper-sonic anti-ship missiles. They train the Afghans, supply them with fuel and intelligence. Said, planes sink 3 American aircraft carriers and afterward fly to Russia to safety. They refuel in Russia and start sinking American commercial vessels.


I mean what is the difference here? LOL Not much.
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Russia has lost three capital ships? And by commercial vessels you mean those commandeered by the military to transport military equipment in occupied waters? And I am also assuming we are currently at war or in a special military operation in Afghanistan?

Also what has been refueled or flown back to NATO? because I know nothing has come back to or from the States.

I never called for, or wanted, the US to go after Russia for arming the Afghanis, so try something else.
 
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