War in Ukraine

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hog88 said:
That was none of Putin's business.
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It was certainly his business. A coup or unrest in a neighboring country was certainly of his concern. That is no different than the US intervening in several of these countries' affairs in this hemisphere over the last 100+ years. No different than Vietnam intervening with the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. No different than countries surrounding Rwanda intervening during that crisis 25 years ago.

And on top of that, the shelling and attacking of the Russian people in Donbas is no different than what the US would have done to protect American people that would be attacked in Mexico.
 
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DonjoVol said:
He not only stood on a stage next to a neo Nazi ultranationalist but met with him as well. You are okay with that? This was also right before the western led coup to oust Yanukovych. Nothing suspicious to see there either right?
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Wait. You mean we was able to meet with a guy AND stand on a stage with him at the same time? Oh wow that seals it curly.

And I’m completely enjoying you using John freaking McCain in an example to try and hold any sway with me Curly. Mr bad judgement himself on foreign policy 😂🤡😂🤡😂🤡
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It was certainly his business. A coup or unrest in a neighboring country was certainly of his concern. That is no different than the US intervening in several of these countries' affairs in this hemisphere over the last 100+ years. No different than Vietnam intervening with the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. No different than countries surrounding Rwanda intervening during that crisis 25 years ago.

And on top of that, the shelling and attacking of the Russian people in Donbas is no different than what the US would have done to protect American people that would be attacked in Mexico.
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Putin was just as wrong as we have been.

We don't protect Americans in Mexico.
 
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hog88 said:
Yes, neither should invade Taiwan. Taiwan should be free to trade and align themselves with whoever the citizens choose.
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2 things, no one is holding back Taiwan from trading with anyone they want.

On the other hand, Taiwan can desire to be in a military alliance with anyone they want... as well as Ukraine. But we all know that in this world, regional superpowers are not going to take kindly to that. It would be wise for any countries that consider to make military alliances in different spheres of influence to avoid making such alliances unless their aim is to specifically provoke the other regional power. So you are correct, these smaller countries can desire and want to join who they want to join with militarily, but realistically, we both know that isn't politically practical in the majority of instances.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Wait. You mean we was able to meet with a guy AND stand on a stage with him at the same time? Oh wow that seals it curly.

And I’m completely enjoying you using John freaking McCain in an example to try and hold any sway with me Curly. Mr bad judgement himself on foreign policy 😂🤡😂🤡😂🤡
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Apparently you didn't read the non Russian state media article I provided. And of all the Ukrainian politicians that McCain met with privately then stood on stage with it just happened to be a neo Nazi?

Your lack of willingness to condemn McCain for meeting with a neo Nazi says a lot. Thanks for playing again Proctor.
 
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hog88 said:
Putin was just as wrong as we have been.
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No, he had far better grounds to get involved. Hell, at the very least, he needed to get involved to avoid a potential refugee crisis or some other instability on the border. And again, you show that you DGAF about the lives of the 14k-15k Russian lives lost over the last 8 years because you continue to ignore that part of the equation.

hog88 said:
We don't protect Americans in Mexico.
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The Alamo
 
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InVOLuntary said:
There was propaganda when they went into the underground area in Mariupol that you guys killed all the Nazis. I'm just trying to get on the same page of this 3 day war as you.
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Show me. Show me where anyone said "all" Nazis in Ukraine were taken care of in Mariupol or Azovstal.
 
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DonjoVol said:
So Ukraine under Yanukovych should have been free to trade and align themselves with both the U.S. and Russia. Correct?
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Yes and when Yanukovych went back on his campaign promises to align with Europe over Russia after he was bribed by the Russians the citizens of Ukraine exercised their right to remove him.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Apparently you didn't read the non Russian state media article I provided. And of all the Ukrainian politicians that McCain met with privately then stood on stage with him it just happened to be a neo Nazi?

Your lack of willingness to condemn McCain for meeting with a neo Nazi says a lot. Thanks for playing again Proctor.
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Wow your reading comprehension really does suck.

Let me be clear. I categorically condemn the foreign policy body of work of John McCain. He was an uncureable Warhawk who needlessly dragged us into one bad situation after another. Is that clear enough for you Curly? Do I need to bust out crayons and picture books?
 
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hog88 said:
Yes and when Yanukovych went back on his campaign promises to align with Europe over Russia after he was bribed by the Russians the citizens of Ukraine exercised their right to remove him.
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And what proof do you have that he was bribed?
 
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hog88 said:
Yes and when Yanukovych went back on his campaign promises to align with Europe over Russia after he was bribed by the Russians the citizens of Ukraine exercised their right to remove him.
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Aided by Obama's State Department... don't leave that part out. We intervened in an internal political issue... if not helped to start it all together.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No, he had far better grounds to get involved. Hell, at the very least, he needed to get involved to avoid a potential refugee crisis or some other instability on the border. And again, you show that you DGAF about the lives of the 14k-15k Russian lives lost over the last 8 years because you continue to ignore that part of the equation.


The Alamo
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Putin was causing the unrest and arming the pro-russian side in Donboas. Plus they weren't Russian, they were Ukrainians.

You're worse than a woman about digging up ancient history during a disagreement. And just like a woman you are typically wrong or twisting the truth to fit your narrative. No US troops were sent to the Alamo.
 
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