War in Ukraine

[apevol]

I think they were excited about what he was a younger, enthusiastic and strong leader could accomplish......... It obviously didn't break the way we had hoped.

Too much territory, with too many ethnically and culturally different people with a troubled history of forced compliance and deep seeded grudges.

the moment he started pushing back against the US, back in the late 2000s, the tankies of western Europe were also over the moon

 

[MontyPython]

Unintended consequences...

Now Germany has unshackled itself. Next come the hookers and coke... oh and Nazis.

Breaking: Germany changes constitution to allow rearmament spending "without limits". Merz: "whatever it takes"​

 

[PKT_VOL]

the West was over the moon when Putin was handed the baton

The West is still over the moon that Putin is in charge. In fact, that is precisely the reason the West is collectively thawing support for Ukraine at the moment.

 

[MontyPython]

 

[hog88]

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What's your ideas on how to bring the war to an end?

 

[TheDeeble]

 

[TheDeeble]

What's your ideas on how to bring the war to an end?

I'm not sure how one ends a war when the participants do not want it to end.

 

[05_never_again]

the moment he started pushing back against the US, back in the late 2000s, the tankies of western Europe were also over the moon

Putin ultimately decided he wanted to run his own game than be a participant in someone else's. In hindsight, it should have been more predictable than what it was.

 

[hog88]

I'm not sure how one ends a war when the participants do not want it to end.

Cut the money train off to both sides, they'll end it.

 

[MontyPython]

I remember back in the day when the Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder banned fans from having signs at football games since most of them said "Dan Snyder sucks" and so forth. Now here we are with the big orange man pulling a full on authoritarian, "you all are not allowed to protest" tweet. Damn free speech. You trump supporters really should get rid of this thing.

 

[MontyPython]

Cut the money train off to both sides, they'll end it.

And how will you cut the money train off from the Russians Hogg?

 

[BeardedVol]

I'm not sure how one ends a war when the participants do not want it to end.

I'd say very much that Ukraine wants Russia to stop murdering them and occupying parts of their country.

 

[EasternVol]

“Allies”

There like those friends who are always broke when you go out that always will get you the next time, but there’s never a next time.

Name 1 country that takes money from their citizens and sends it to the United States?

Unfortunately they will be back.

We get some aid for natural disasters. And China sends us balloons.

 

[TheDeeble]

Cut the money train off to both sides, they'll end it.

Trump has attempted that, but the EU wants it to keep going and Ukraine apparently does also. I don't know where Russia is finding the money or soldiers to keep sacrificing, but they seem happy to continue as is. IMO, there doesn't really appear to be much interest in the war really ending.

 

[McDad]

Getting approved by everyone/enough people would be the biggest obstacle. there is a checklist as well, but I am assuming that could be worked through. also you are generally not "allowed" in if you have ongoing conflicts. sometimes that is broadly defined, other times its very narrow.

Draw backs would be the internal division. as a member they would have some veto powers. and there is some debate about how Article 5 would play out between two NATO members. There was some debate years ago about nations going to war inside of NATO and how the rest would/should react. always tough to prove who actually shot first, and what happens when the victim of an attack is actually the first to fire.

Why was Ukraine denied? The other NATO countries voted against their membership, correct?

 

[LouderVol]

And how will you cut the money train off from the Russians Hogg?

europe still spent 21 billion on russian oil and gas. accounting for almost 1/3 of Russia's total export in that category.

 

[hndog609]

I remember back in the day when the Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder banned fans from having signs at football games since most of them said "Dan Snyder sucks" and so forth. Now here we are with the big orange man pulling a full on authoritarian, "you all are not allowed to protest" tweet. Damn free speech. You trump supporters really should get rid of this thing.

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While I'm not really a fan of this kind of move by a POTUS for the sake of intellectual honesty when you say

pulling a full on authoritarian, "you all are not allowed to protest" tweet.

you could at least acknowledge that the cited tweet included the word "illegal".

 

[BeardedVol]

Why was Ukraine denied? The other NATO countries voted against their membership, correct?

Merkel defends 2008 decision to block Ukraine from NATO

Former German chancellor Angela Merkel on Monday defended her 2008 decision to block Ukraine from immediately joining NATO, rejecting President Volodymyr Zelensky's criticism as Russia's invasion clouds…

www.france24.com

Germany and France wanted to keep cheap Russian gas flowing.

 

[TheDeeble]

I'd say very much that Ukraine wants Russia to stop murdering them and occupying parts of their country.

Obviously. I'm just saying when it comes to actually ending the war the opinions from the EU/Ukraine appear to be "No" and the opinion from Russia also appears to be "No".

 

[Orangeslice13]

Unintended consequences...

Now Germany has unshackled itself. Next come the hookers and coke... oh and Nazis.

Breaking: Germany changes constitution to allow rearmament spending "without limits". Merz: "whatever it takes"​

Great

 

[McDad]

Because of course, Europe purchasing NG from Russia is 100% the cause of Russia invading Ukraine, and is the primary Reason why Marco Rubio lost his spine when Trump took office.

Do those ongoing purchase not provide financial resources to Russia???

 

[KB5252]

I remember back in the day when the Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder banned fans from having signs at football games since most of them said "Dan Snyder sucks" and so forth. Now here we are with the big orange man pulling a full on authoritarian, "you all are not allowed to protest" tweet. Damn free speech. You trump supporters really should get rid of this thing.

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Protest is fine. Taking over parts of campus and denying access to others, vandalism and assault are not legal means of protest.

As long as you do none of the above and obey laws and lawful instructions by the authorities/faculty you should be golden.

I don't hear you decrying basic civil rights being trampled throughout Europe.


By the way what did any of that have to do with Ukraine and Europe

 

[BeardedVol]

Obviously. I'm just saying when it comes to actually ending the war the opinions from the EU/Ukraine appear to be "No" and the opinion from Russia also appears to be "No".

Putin hasn't honored a ceasefire prior to this, I doubt anyone expects him to now, especially since he's given no indication that he's even remotely willing to stop prosecuting this war.

 

[KB5252]

And how will you cut the money train off from the Russians Hogg?

Europe can stop buying their gas and subsidizing this war.

 

[MontyPython]

Why was Ukraine denied? The other NATO countries voted against their membership, correct?

No. Only the US and Germany are among the majors opposing Ukraine from joining NATO.

"At least seven countries are against Ukraine’s immediate membership to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), including Germany and the United States, as well as Hungary, Slovakia, Slovenia, Belgium, and Spain, according to Politico, citing four anonymous U.S. and NATO officials and diplomats. "