War in Ukraine

[Rasputin_Vol]

What's up with this?

2 possibilities, and neither are good outcomes for the Ukrainiacs...

1. He's simply lying
2. He's telling the truth, which means NATO is lying. Now why would NATO want to lie about Russia attacking a NATO member that could trigger Article 5? I mean, what is the concern? It's only Russia... a paper tiger as we have seen in the last 9 months. Poland could kick their azzes by themselves. Right?

Right?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

NATO is lying to avoid direct escalation with Russia or he is lying either way this is going to be swept under the rug.

Why?

 

[NorthDallas40]

NATO is lying to avoid direct escalation with Russia or he is lying either way this is going to be swept under the rug.

That’s unfortunate. If Ukraine accidentally killed those people that should be acknowledged it adds credibility

 

[Velo Vol]

NATO is lying to avoid direct escalation with Russia or he is lying either way this is going to be swept under the rug.

Even if it was a complete UA mistake, I haven't seen any sign that there would be any western blowback for it, so why lie?

 

[NorthDallas40]

2 possibilities, and neither are good outcomes for the Ukrainiacs...

1. He's simply lying
2. He's telling the truth, which means NATO is lying. Now why would NATO want to lie about Russia attacking a NATO member that could trigger Article 5? I mean, what is the concern? It's only Russia... a paper tiger as we have seen in the last 9 months. Poland could kick their azzes by themselves. Right?

Right?

LMAO you’re awful froggy since it’s clear people are trying to de escalate here Moe

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Oh Poland absolutely should have a stern face to face with Kiev. Ukraine is absolutely in a tough spot but that doesn’t excuse carelessly killing the citizens of one of your staunchest supporters.

Dallas, NATO/The West has been a circular firing squad this entire debacle. What kind of ally to Germany would destroy Nordstream? What kind of ally to Europe would have them rely on less reliable/more expensive US LNG rather than cheap reliable pipeline gas from Russia? What kind of ally allows for double standards and loopholes with regard to sanction on energy, yet doesn't allow the same privileges for the EU?

Back up. I said circular firing squad, but that isn't true. The US is the only one that doesn't have a gun pointed at them. But everyone in the EU fighting amongst themselves. The biggest losers in this are going to be Germany, UK and Poland.

 

[LouderVol]

By "their", you mean Zelensky?

No I mean you guys. The ones talking about how Poland was going to jump in and get their buts kicked and get everyone else drawn in via Article 5 even though Article 5 hasnt been discussed.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Then why didn’t the US and NATO do it yesterday you lying inconsistent stooge? This would have been an absolutely prime opportunity Moe

Uhh, you tell me why? I mean, you guys were saying that Poland or UK could smack around these Ruskies with no problem.

 

[LouderVol]

2 possibilities, and neither are good outcomes for the Ukrainiacs...

1. He's simply lying
2. He's telling the truth, which means NATO is lying. Now why would NATO want to lie about Russia attacking a NATO member that could trigger Article 5? I mean, what is the concern? It's only Russia... a paper tiger as we have seen in the last 9 months. Poland could kick their azzes by themselves. Right?

Right?

1a. He is working on partial information like everyone else and doesnt know the truth.
2. War is bad. Just like Russia is learning, even in a war you win easily it doesnt mean it's all sunshine and rainbows. Your assumption also relies on Poland, the one with the losses, to lie about it as well.

The only ones who want NATO involved is Ukraine, because it would undoubtedly make their war easier.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Uhh, you tell me why? I mean, you guys were saying that Poland or UK could smack around these Ruskies with no problem.

We’ve been telling you why since February. NATO isn’t the aggressor your idiot Russian buddies are.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Dallas, NATO/The West has been a circular firing squad this entire debacle. What kind of ally to Germany would destroy Nordstream? What kind of ally to Europe would have them rely on less reliable/more expensive US LNG rather than cheap reliable pipeline gas from Russia? What kind of ally allows for double standards and loopholes with regard to sanction on energy, yet doesn't allow the same privileges for the EU?

Back up. I said circular firing squad, but that isn't true. The US is the only one that doesn't have a gun pointed at them. But everyone in the EU fighting amongst themselves. The biggest losers in this are going to be Germany, UK and Poland.

Oh ********. Before Russia shot itself in the foot starting in 2014 NATO was languishing and struggling for relevance. Russia’s actions in Ukraine are the exact purpose NATO exists and the organization is reinvigorated with renewed support. NATO today is stronger than ever and that idiot Pootin even convinced Finland and Sweden joining NATO was a good thing. The only firing squad here is on Russia and it’s self imposed.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

They are US citizens same as you or I. They are not in the armed forces. We've known Americans were on the ground in Ukraine fighting since March. I'm outing no one.

Yeah... this sounds just like South Vietnam.

 

[MercyPercy]

Western media propaganda. Are there instances here or there of some troops without winter gear? I'm sure that may be the case. But let's not pretend (or in your case hope) that is the norm.

And you guys will learn the value of retreating. Russia is preserving lives and equipment. Land can be regained at a later time. The Kyiv regime, on the other hand, are suffering ridiculous losses in a vain attempt to hold on to land.

This seems like some heavy coping

 

[NorthDallas40]

You can't make this up. They are still running the 2 biggest rackets on the planet: Ukraine and COVID.

Biden Asks for Over $37 Billion in Emergency Ukraine Aid

On a rare point of agreement this funding bill needs to die quickly. That is a European issue for them to handle in house and not our responsibility

 

[MontyPython]

Damn cockroaches swarming around again.

Hey @volgr, @Rasputin_Vol, @DonjoVol -

So that whole Russia got its ass kicked in Kherson and had to retreat thing... what say ye? Or are you comrades gonna just continue to live in an alternate reality and pretend it didn't happen?

Russia still "winning"?!?!

They've given up nearly 50% of what they captured at the onset of the war, and continue to conduce "reverse offensives" very effectively.

 

[volgr]

Zelensky is a western puppet, technically the US has been lying to the World this whole time through Zelensky.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

This seems like some heavy coping

I never said it is a good look.

 

[MercyPercy]

I never said it is a good look.

I just think you have to admit that this latest Russian retreat isn't part of some master plan. I don't think ukraine is necessarily whupping them as much as we might like to believe but Russia is definitely giving up ground and it's probably because they are, to some degree, getting "whup'd".

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I just think you have to admit that this latest Russian retreat isn't part of some master plan. I don't think ukraine is necessarily whupping them as much as we might like to believe but Russia is definitely giving up ground and it's probably because they are, to some degree, getting "whup'd".

Show me where I said it was a master plan or 5D chess.

 

[MercyPercy]

Show me where I said it was a master plan or 5D chess.

You stated that we needed to learn the value of retreating as if we are missing the bigger picture. I think the bigger picture is as simple as they are retreating from those areas because they were losing in those areas.

 

[volgr]

I just think you have to admit that this latest Russian retreat isn't part of some master plan. I don't think ukraine is necessarily whupping them as much as we might like to believe but Russia is definitely giving up ground and it's probably because they are, to some degree, getting "whup'd".

Except they weren't getting whup'd in Kherson. Ukraine was losing a ton of men/machine with very little in territory to show for it. It just became a logistical nightmare for Russia with the possibility of the dam being blown. The juice was no longer worth the squeeze.

As McGregor has pointed out, Russia doesn't value land in war like America does. Land is only valuable if it aids in furthering your war efforts. If Russia has no plans currently to push west along the coast, then holding Kherson is meaningless.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You stated that we needed to learn the value of retreating as if we are missing the bigger picture. I think the bigger picture is as simple as they are retreating from those areas because they were losing in those areas.

Yes I did say that. Retreating has value. But I didn't say it was 5D chess or a master plan. The situation came up and that was the move they made... Obviously, they never planned on leaving Kherson.

And yes, you are correct that the numbers were not in their favor in those areas... for now. So instead of keeping men and material there to die, you simply retreat and regroup.

I think you are putting words in my mouth that I never said. The fact is that Russia obviously saw this as an unintended perilous situation and chose to pull back and retreat. But again, land can be recaptured. Men and material are harder to replace.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You stated that we needed to learn the value of retreating as if we are missing the bigger picture. I think the bigger picture is as simple as they are retreating from those areas because they were losing in those areas.

You are making it sound like I have been suggesting that Russia planned on capturing Kherson and then retreating later on in some grand scheme/master plan. That is not true.

Call it what you want a special military operation, a conflict, a war whatever. The fact is that obviously, retreating from Kherson was not a desirable decision... but it was the right decision based on the changing landscape. Meanwhile, the Ukrainians have lost tens of thousands trying to hold and defend undefensable positions and have taken huge casualties... which is foolish. Sometimes, retreating is better than standing and fighting to the last man.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Zelensky is a western puppet, technically the US has been lying to the World this whole time through Zelensky.

Let me get this straight. He is both a western puppet which the US has been lying to the world through AND countering the US/Western world with respect to the Poland situation.

Make it make sense.

 

[KB5252]

You keep saying that... that is a lie and you just admitted it.

I stated we haven't invaded Mexico though their government is corrupt and elements of their military have attacked Americans on US soil multiple times in the past few decades.

None of those things are a lie. It is fact. If you can dispute it go ahead I'll wait.